[Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip

Sat Nov 1 09:04:16 EDT 2008

Ben,
Ever know an officer named John Foard?  He is a good fried and classmate.
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2008 8:21 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>
>
>Steve,
>
>I have mentioned that part of my excitment in acquiring a Rhodes 22 this
>year came from the fact that I served aboard a Philip Rhodes designed
>oceangoing minesweeper; a naval combatant vessel designed (and built) in the
>early 1950's when we needed wooden-hulled ships to avoid destruction
>(theoretically) from magnetic mines. She was 171' long, drew about 12' of
>water, had 4 500hp aluminum Packard diesel engines for main propulsion, twin
>variable pitch props, and could do about 16 kts wide open. She wasn't bad
>looking with a "tuna clipper type" bow and a low counter from which we could
>stream minesweeping gear off the stern.  Mine was the USS EXPLOIT (MSO 440)
>and I was the engineering officer (the logical choice since I had been a
>political science major and knew nothing about diesels, electricity,
>machinery, or engineering). 
>
>Anyway, I had never gotten seasick until some genius decided we should help
>land a battalion of marines at Reid State Park in Maine in JANUARY of 1972.
>Operation "Snowy Beach".   I have never been so cold. We had an open bridge
>(no heat) and the weather was miserable. Our little division of 4 MSO's was
>ordered to a course that put us right in the trough of the seas. It was just
>like "The Caine Mutiny". We were taking the most frightening rolls in those
>seas (I swear to this day I read the clinometer as taking a 52 degree roll). 
>I thought I was pretty salty but I was terrified.
>
>I got off watch and went below to try to wedge myself into a bunk, but had
>to pass through the crew's mess, where afew saltier Chiefs were chowing down
>on big plates of "Chef Boy ar Dee" canned ravioli. I lost my lunch, dinner
>and breakfast in one great barf. And the worst part is, once you're sick you
>stay sick. It was the worst three days of my life. I thought I was going to
>die.
>
>Thanks for evoking that memory. I haven't thought about my seasickness
>adventure in a long time.
>
>Best,
>
>Ben C.
>
>Steven Alm wrote:
>> 
>> Nice story, Herb.  Thanks for writing it up.  I can tell you something
>> about
>> sea sickness.  I had it once but oddly it happened in much calmer seas
>> than
>> other rides I've been on so it might have been something I ate.   It was
>> absolutely miserable.   You only need one thing to make you comfortable
>> and
>> you're not going to get it--for the boat to stop rocking.  So every second
>> is pure misery.  I did all the things they say to do--stay top side and
>> watch the horizon, etc. but nothing stopped the motion so nothing stopped
>> the sickness.  It eventually subsided after about an hour even though the
>> boat was still rocking and then I was fine.  We didn't have Dramamine on
>> board so I don't know if that helps.
>> 
>> Another time at sea when I was performing on a cruise ship, we hit a bad
>> storm and most were sick--not me this time.  I've never seen so much mass
>> puking in my life.  It was surrealistic and actually became funny but only
>> because it wasn't happening to me.  The real tragedy was that every bottle
>> in the crew bar slid off the shelves and broke.  Not funny.
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> You know how sometimes you have a thought in your head - you know what
>>> you're thinking but can't quite put it into words? (Maybe you don't
>>> know, maybe that's just approaching senility) Anyway, you came up with
>>> the term I was looking for - I'd like to know what my threshold level is
>>> on seasickness.
>>>
>>> I'm sure if I was in a real storm (haven't been dere done dat yet) on
>>> the open water, and trying to sleep below, I'd succumb. I'm sure I'm not
>>> immune (I don't think anyone is), but I can tell that my tolerance is
>>> higher than many.
>>>
>>> Caesar Paul wrote:
>>> > Hi Herb,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the account of your sailing trip; you told it well.  I would
>>> like to sail out in the wild and beautiful blue yonder sometime.  My hope
>>> is
>>> that is somewhere in my future.
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like it was a lot of fun.  I have never been sea-sick either and
>>> am curious to discover what my threshold level is.
>>> >
>>> > Caesar
>>> >
>>> > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:36 PM
>>> >
>>> > A friend of mine from NO (Slidell actually), lost his boat that was
>>> > slipped across mine during Katrina. He used the insurance money to buy
>>> a
>>> > 39' Allied Princess in Florida, and needed it to be moved to Houston.
>>> We
>>> > planned on 7 days, but had a little trouble with the diesel and had to
>>> > detour to Biloxi.
>>> >
>>> > I had actually sailed my boat down the coast of Texas from Corpus
>>> > Christi to Port Isabel (and almost decided to move to Port Isabel in
>>> the
>>> > process), but that was the first time time to lose sight of land. There
>>> > is something almost magical about looking behind you, and suddenly
>>> > realizing that even the haze of the hotel buildings is gone, and all
>>> you
>>> > see is sky and water. I honestly believe that is what I was born for.
>>> >
>>> > The waves glow at night in some areas with the luminance of the marine
>>> > life in them. We had flying fish literally fly into the cockpit (we
>>> > didn't eat them, though I asked if they were decent food). I was
>>> shocked
>>> > at the depth, and breadth, of the Gulf waters that turn from blue to
>>> > brown from the flow of the Mississippi. And there's something that
>>> > almost haunting to hear an oil platform's low moan of a warning siren
>>> > when your surrounded by darkness and a light fog. Another memory that
>>> > stands out clearly was watching a Carnival Cruise liner pass in the
>>> > darkness, lit up like a small city, and thinking to myself "Those
>>> people
>>> > think THAT'S a cruise...."
>>> >
>>> > I've never been seasick in my life, and thought this would be a good
>>> > time to find how much I can take. Though we never had bad weather, the
>>> > second night out, it was VERY rough seas. The layout of the Allied
>>> > Princess doesn't have as much room as other boats the same size that
>>> > I've seen, and the "plan" was for the four of us was to alternate
>>> >
>>> > between the two usable berths (one older guy couldn't stand watch, but
>>> > he was a great cook, and wanted to make one last sail, sadly, this was
>>> > it, he passed six months later, more on him in a moment). I was so
>>> > excited, I stayed awake all of the first night. The second night, the
>>> > rough sees night, I told them I was going to make room for myself in
>>> the
>>> > V-berth, so I wouldn't have to alternate berths. They all laughed and
>>> > said I'd last a night at the most.
>>> >
>>> > I remember bedding down after my 10-2 (10pm, 2am) watch in 10' seas,
>>> > thinking "OK, this isn't so bad. Sort of like a ride at Six Flags.
>>> > I'm
>>> > not sure I can sleep though...." Next thing I knew, it was 6:30, and
>>> the
>>> > cook was asking me if I wanted to eat breakfast or sleep all day. They
>>> > all laughed about how they could see air underneath me on some of the
>>> > waves, but I never stirred.
>>> >
>>> > I had the last laugh, we had blueberry pancakes. ALL of them lost their
>>> > breakfast. I did not. I've still never been seasick. I hope for another
>>> > opportunity someday soon.
>>> >
>>> > The cook (I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember his name), had major
>>> > heart surgery about 6 months prior. He was told that he would probably
>>> > not survive. He sold his two boats, and his retirement homes, to
>>> provide
>>> > for his wife.
>>> >
>>> > Then he survived, and was boatless. He told the owner that he would
>>> like
>>> > to come with us for one final sail, but couldn't handle the rigors of
>>> > standing a regular watch. He would ride along, relieve briefly when
>>> > needed, but would cook all of our meals. This guy was amazing at what
>>> he
>>> > could cook on an alcohol stove, in a pitching boat on 10' seas. We ate
>>> > like kings, I kid you not. When we fixed the clogged fuel filters in
>>> > Biloxi, he begged off the rest of the trip. It was too hard on him, but
>>> > he thanked us profusely for the opportunity to sail again. I was proud
>>> > to have been a small part of giving that to another sailor.
>>> >
>>> > On last funny story from the trip. Because I was (believe it or not)
>>> the
>>> > youngest of the remaining 3 (at 49 years old), I drew cooking duties.
>>> > I'm not a cook. My first morning, I said "Well guys, no blueberry
>>> > pancakes, but I've done my best. You've got two choices:
>>> >
>>> > You can have scrambled egges
>>> >
>>> > Or you can go hungry"
>>> >
>>> > On the plus side, everyone kept breakfast down on that calm morning.
>>> >
>>> > Anyone (OK, ALMOST anyone) needing help moving a boat across the water,
>>> > give me a shout. That was one of the best vacations I've had.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Herb,
>>> >>         Tell me about the time on the Gulf, business or pleasure? 
>>> What
>>> >>
>>> > form
>>> >
>>> >> of transport.  Exotic or mundane?
>>> >> And yes no one should judge you (or me) till they've introduced
>>> >>
>>> > themselves
>>> >
>>> >> and gotten to know us, I think.
>>> >> Chris G
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> >>
>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >
>>> >> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:02 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>> computer?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Chris,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I really DON'T mean to just be argumentative on this one, but I
>>> >>>
>>> > DON'T
>>> >
>>> >>> see Metaphor's point. I've come home (after sailing across the
>>> >>>
>>> > gulf for
>>> >
>>> >>> 10 days) to over 3000 emails in my in box. I dare say I didn't
>>> >>>
>>> > miss any
>>> >
>>> >>> important ones. The little red X in Thunderbird is pretty easy to
>>> use.
>>> >>> It only takes me a line or two to see if an email is something I
>>> >>>
>>> > really
>>> >
>>> >>> need, or just chatter. Most are chatter.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Brad,
>>> >>>>         Thanks for that well reasoned, and humorous response; like
>>> >>>>
>>> > Ben
>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >> C. I
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>> never quite dispair, and then you come through with such a great
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >> response.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>> I see Metaphor's point but if he just stays around till after
>>> >>>>
>>> > the
>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >> election
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>> he can bennifite from all the Fasciests, Commies, Sheep, and
>>> >>>>
>>> > wolves on
>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >> this
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>> list because after all we are all boating lambs...well except when
>>> >>>>
>>> > it
>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >> comes
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>> to which type of motor to use, or anchor or.......
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Chris G
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> >>>>
>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>>> >>>>
>>> > computer?
>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Wager/Crabber?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Are you a gambler?  Perhaps a crabber?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Rude?  Self impressed?  No sir, I'm a pilot.  Think about
>>> >>>>>
>>> > it and
>>> >
>>> >>>>> figure it out for yourself.  Little man - aggrandized view of
>>> >>>>>
>>> > your own
>>> >
>>> >>>>> importance?  What part of pilot don't you get?  I'm
>>> >>>>>
>>> > not a  aggrandized
>>> >
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> little man, I am a god!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Listen.  My adventures have been "bigger-than-life"
>>> >>>>>
>>> > for a kid of a
>>> >
>>> >>>>> construction worker from a town of 650 people.  The amazing
>>> >>>>>
>>> > thing is,
>>> >
>>> >>>>> they are not bullshit and if you envy them then you have a
>>> >>>>>
>>> > problem.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Again, many of us on this board have dined and stayed at each
>>> >>>>>
>>> > other's
>>> >
>>> >>>>> house, sailed on each other's boats, and come to each
>>> >>>>>
>>> > other's rescue
>>> >
>>> >>>>> in private. You might want to lurk a bit longer before you
>>> >>>>>
>>> > become so
>>> >
>>> >>>>> judgmental.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> To answer your question about boats and boat names - I once
>>> >>>>>
>>> > owned a
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Rhodes22 and I regret the day I sold it.  I now own a 30'
>>> >>>>>
>>> > S2 named the
>>> >
>>> >>>>> "CoraShen" after my daughter Cora and her
>>> >>>>>
>>> > grandfather Mr. Shen.  Mr.
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Shen died recently.  He was a "little man" who was
>>> >>>>>
>>> > "aggrandized" by
>>> >
>>> >>>>> his thousands of employees and one of the kindest and gentlest
>>> >>>>>
>>> > men I
>>> >
>>> >>>>> ever met.  His story is buried in the archives of this list.
>>> >>>>>
>>> > There's
>>> >
>>> >>>>> a lot of interesting history there, and as Ed would say,
>>> >>>>>
>>> > "search the
>>> >
>>> >>>>> archives".
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Perhaps you should consider barking for awhile on this list
>>> >>>>>
>>> > before you
>>> >
>>> >>>>> default to biting.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Brad
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Metaphor
>>> >>>>>
>>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Mr. Haslitt,
>>> >>>>>> Sorry, but I get the impression that you are a rude, self
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > impressed
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> little
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> man with an aggrandized view of your own importance.   You
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > copy a lot
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> of
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> posts from other sources, and tell grand stories about
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > yourself and
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> your
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> bigger-than-life adventures, but otherwise offer little of
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > substance.
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> When
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> people don't agree with you, you belittle them.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>  Do you own or sail a Rhodes?  If not, why are you even on
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > this forum?
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> I have had many questions answered by sailors, but none by
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > you I learn
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> most
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> by simply listening to what they have to say.  You just
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > seem to blow
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> your
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> own horn so loudly that only you can hear the sound of
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > your own
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> pomposity.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> There are forums out there that are in the big leagues.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > You might find
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> challenges in one of those more demanding than pandering
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > to your two
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> on this one.  Other forums that I participate in have an
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > PM (private
>>> >
>>> >>>>>> mnessage) option that  allows for personal conversation
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > between
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> individuals.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> If it is not available on this thread, you might try
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > regular emails
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> between
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> you and your two other friends.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I probably could figure out how to use the filters here,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > but too often
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> on
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> these threads, posts are not properly (should I say
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > honestly) labeled,
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>> so
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>> filters don't work.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> By the way, Metaphor is the name of my boat.  What is the
>>> >>>>>>
>>> > name of
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >> yours?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Met, uh, Phor?
>>> >>>>>>> You're smart enough to bitch, you're probably
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> > smart enough to filter
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> your e-mail.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Brad
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Metaphor
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org>
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>> I've got a simple question, but mostly applied
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > to Herb and Brad, and
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> somewhat
>>> >>>>>>>> to Tootle:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Do you guys have jobs or real lives, or do you
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > spend all day on the
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> internet
>>> >>>>>>>> and then posting to this forum?  There are a
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > couple of other volume
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> posters,
>>> >>>>>>>> but none so prolific as you are. I get the sense
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > that the sailors
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> are
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>> pretty
>>> >>>>>>>> much giving up getting airtime in competition with
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > the political
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> nature
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>> this forum.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I try to follow the various threads, but have lost
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > interest in this
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> forum
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> because it has so little to do with sailing,
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > Rhodes 22's or nautical
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> life
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>> general.  Reading the same paranoid information
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > from the three of
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> you
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>> over
>>> >>>>>>>> and over again is tiresome, so much so that
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > I've begun to applaud
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> your
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>> challengers -- Ben C, petelargo, etc.,  simply
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > because they are
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> challenging
>>> >>>>>>>> you, and I have (but not always) voted Republican.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Your time would be better spent arguing on a
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > political forum rather
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>> sailing one, and leaving this forum to talk about
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > the boring details
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 -- you know, technical issues,
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > innovative re-designs or
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> fixes,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> sailing techniques, great sailing adventures, that
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > kind of stuff of
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> interest
>>> >>>>>>>> to Rhodes 22 owners and sailors... certainly there
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > would be fewer
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> posts,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>>> the Rhodes 22 boat issues would not be so buried
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > under the volume of
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>> political posts found here.  A search of the
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > internet would probably
>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>> find
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>> few sites that you might find more of a political
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> > nature.  Thanks...
>>> >
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