[Rhodes22-list] Politics - It Will Bankrupt polluters!

Sun Nov 2 13:26:02 EST 2008

Hello Robert.  Thanks for sounding off.  Great comments.

Dave

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Robert J. Nickerson
<infoman at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Sigh....  I guess I must break my vow to myself to not stick my toe in this
> political quagmire.
>
> First a small bio - I am a medal winning veteran, ivy league educated
> retired systems analyst (banking), owner of a GB modified Starwind 19 with a
> Rhodes 22 in mast main purchased from Stan, and considered by most of my
> friends to be a conservative.  I took the political test and showed scored
> as a moderate fiscal conservative and a moderate social liberal.  I hate
> party labels but if I was pressed I can best stomach being called a
> libertarian.  I have voted in every presidential election but either against
> a candidate or writing in someone (one election I wrote in Colin Powell for
> president).
>
> I will make six points and disappear again.
>
> 1.  I will defend anyone's right to vote, promote, proselytize and work for,
> and donate to any candidate they wish.  I do not defend the right to
> innuendo, falsehoods, scare tactics, and guilt by association.
>
> 2. As a system analyst I had intimate knowledge of credit and debit
> authorization systems.  Visa, MasterCard, AMEX, and Discover all have
> various levels of fees for their services depending on the level of
> validation that is done at the time of information collected.  What the
> Obama site is doing is not illegal.  What you testers are doing by inputting
> false information most likely is illegal.
>
> 3.  Brad, you keep hammering on the withheld video tape of Obama at the 2003
> party for the Palestine-American Columbia University professor Rashid
> Khalidi.  Perhaps you should also note that the Center for Palestine
> Research and Studies that Rashid Khalidi helped found received at least
> $448,000.00 from an organization who has John McCain as a chairman.  I leave
> the reader to decide which is more relevant.
>
> 4.  This latest youtube (no video is telling) is out of context as usual.
> The full context shows that the statement was about the fact that there was
> no need to pass laws forcing emission standards or carbon sequestration
> standards because if a coal plant was built without them, it would bankrupt
> itself if the cap and trade was in place.
>
> 5.  To me, a microcosm of the election is the analysis of Iran.  Obama says
> he would sit down with leaders with no preconditions.  McCain and Palin
> laugh at this though it is a recommendation of many world leaders and
> bipartisan think tanks.
> Palin sneers at sitting down with President Ahmadinejad of Iran.  Obama
> correctly notes that the president is not the ultimate leader of Iran but
> more of a figurehead; he would sit down with the Supreme Leader Ali
> Khamene'i.  I would also note the success of the "surge" in Iraq owes much
> to the Anbar Awakening alliance with Sunni tribal sheiks.
>
> 6.  This is opinion: Obama is the first candidate of a major party I will
> actively vote for.  I feel McCain is past his prime and careful examination
> of his speech patterns indicate beginnings of mental decline.  I would
> prefer that no one with a temper like his be anywhere near the "button".
> Please note if Hilary was the nominee I would have been forced to vote for
> McCain against her.
> My take is that the way the Obama campaign has been organized and run is the
> best indication of his organizational skills and intelligence.  I also have
> enough belief in the inherent honesty and goodness of most people that if
> there was the vast socialist, communist,  Islamic, left wing conspiracy that
> the McCain supporters postulate it would truly have surfaced.  The law of
> Occam's razor applies.
>
> If I wanted to do innuendo I would ask this:  how do we know that McCain
> isn't a Manchurian candidate?  Was he brainwashed in a communist prison?
> No, I don't believe this, but that accusation is about as probable as most
> of those leveled against Obama.
>
> All right, have at me.  I return to lurking as I seem to have much less free
> time than most of the serial posters here even though I am retired.  By the
> way, I have never searched youtube or other sites at all, much less with the
> frequency demonstrated here.
>
> Final note - I am aware that the mainstream media has its own agenda.  I am
> also aware of incidents and associations in McCain's past that have been
> made available to the public that have not been exploited by the MSM or the
> democratic party that to me are equal to those that the republicans are
> excoriating Obama for.  To me, they almost all are irrelevant.
>
> I am sorry to have violated my promise to myself not to post, but will
> assure you this is the last before the election.  I truly believe that
> electing Obama has a chance to restore the United States diplomatic status
> and moral authority in much of the world.
>
> Robert J. Nickerson
> Colchester, Vermont
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:50 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - It Will Bankrupt Them!
>
>
>> Listen to this - (just released so the MSM hasn't digested it yet)
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
>>
>> Folks, you don't have to be a genius to figure out how dangerous this
>> philosophy is as economic and energy policy.  Are we supposed to go
>> back to using whale oil or are we going to build nukes?  This guy is
>> clueless.
>>
>> Something tells me the party leadership in China is laughing their
>> asses off about now.
>>
>> Brad
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