[Rhodes22-list] Politics & Economics

[Herb Parsons]

Yeah, my apologies. I sort of caught that on the next post I did.

You know, my "disdain" is for the societal response, not to any 
particular individual. I know that's sometimes hard for folks to grasp, 
but here's an example.

I think we would all agree that if 95% (or 96%, whichever is the case) 
of all black people voted for the black candidate, there is little doubt 
that race was involved.

However, can I say person A voted for Barak because of race? No, not 
based on the information given. There is little doubt that race was 
involved overall, but there is LOTS of room for doubt about the 
motivations of any particular individual.

By the same token, I'd say that if 55% of the white people voted for 
McCain, and what was the final number 47% of the overall populace voted 
for him,  then there was also likely some racism involved. Probably 
less, because 45% voted for Barak, but the numbers seem to indicate that 
there was some level of racism.

However, that doesn't mean that I voting for McCain, or Brad, or anyone 
else, means they did so for racist reasons.

Yet there were those, both on here and in the general population, that 
insisted that anyone supporting McCain was doing so out of bigotry and 
racism. That was my point.

Alan Keyes, when he ran against Barak in Illinois, was pilloried, and 
was indeed called "not really black."
More widespread (I'm sure because he was better known), when  Colin 
Powell supported President Bush, he was called an Uncle Tom (as was 
Condi Rice, who has my wholehearted support - wouldn't a Rice/Palin 
ticket have been interesting??, I'd have voted for them!!).

These things may be ignored, but they cannot be honestly denied.

And then, an idiot ignorant fool like David comes along, and calls me a 
bigot and a racist, with no explanation as to why.

Not only was there no explanation, he doesn't know what he's talking 
about, but that's the true hallmark of someone that's ignorant.

The idiocy part comes when they refuse to recognize their ignorance.

And, unfortunately, I HAVEN'T been sailing in a while, about 3 weeks. 
However, we'll be on the lake this weekend.


Andrew Collins wrote:
> Herb
>
> The disdain comment came from John, not me. There does seem to be a grain of
> truth in it, though.
>
> My comment to Brad was that the race card in this post, or string,
> originated in your comments on the election, which concentrated on the race
> issue and the perception of it by diffferent sectors in society.
> As to who thrust what on whom, I bow out, er back out, er, can't seem to get
> out no matter what I write, during the pre-election fervor, I do not know ,
> not do I care. THIS  post brought it up.
>
> I find the race card passe' as the real issue on the table for me and my
> family and my business is the behaviour of the free market socialists who
> are reaching into our pockets. I vote 'shoot Hank Paulson while Bernanke
> watches'.
>
> Been sailing much lately?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>
>   
>> Andrew,
>>
>> I said nothing about disdain for anyone. I simply posted my views.
>>
>> However, for posting my views, I was called a racist and a bigot.
>>
>> For the record, I didn't bring up the race issue, It was thrust in front
>> of me constantly during this election, including watching the returns on
>> election night.
>>
>> The way I presented my views may indeed have been provocative, and I
>> WELCOME responses (that's the whole idea of a discussion); however, I
>> called no one names, nor did I do anything I thought deserving of the
>> response I got.
>>
>> In short, David's full of shit.
>>
>>
>> John Shulick wrote:
>>     
>>> I believe that Herb brought up the race issue here, not David. The way
>>>       
>> Herb
>>     
>>> presented his observation was provocative, and it provoked a response.
>>>       
>> Both
>>     
>>> Herb and Dave have to live with that. My specific point is that the
>>> directive to 'give it a rest' should really be for the two of them.
>>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>>   Trying to get it to stop is like trying to stop the tide. Herb Ed and
>>>       
>> god
>>     
>>> have made it very clear that they have no intentions of ever relenting on
>>> their constant posts espousing there views and their distain for anyone
>>>       
>> who
>>     
>>> dosen't agree. I wonder, does Ed own that O day 26?? It would be ironic
>>>       
>> that
>>     
>>> the most vocal people on the Rhodes 22 site don't own the boat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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