[Rhodes22-list] Politics & Economics

David Bradley dwbrad at gmail.com
Thu Nov 13 01:03:14 EST 2008


OK, we can leave it at that.


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> Didn't see it, except in Brad's post. Don't particularly need to. You
> think I'm a bigot and a racist. You based that on MY OBSERVATIONS OF
> OTHERS. So, I think you're an idiot and an ignoramus. You know virtually
> nothing about about me, and yet have come up with your ridiculous (and
> false) determination.
>
> Why do I need to know more?
>
>
> David Bradley wrote:
>> Herb, I gave you my explanation last night.  If you didn't see it I
>> can send it again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, my apologies. I sort of caught that on the next post I did.
>>>
>>> You know, my "disdain" is for the societal response, not to any
>>> particular individual. I know that's sometimes hard for folks to grasp,
>>> but here's an example.
>>>
>>> I think we would all agree that if 95% (or 96%, whichever is the case)
>>> of all black people voted for the black candidate, there is little doubt
>>> that race was involved.
>>>
>>> However, can I say person A voted for Barak because of race? No, not
>>> based on the information given. There is little doubt that race was
>>> involved overall, but there is LOTS of room for doubt about the
>>> motivations of any particular individual.
>>>
>>> By the same token, I'd say that if 55% of the white people voted for
>>> McCain, and what was the final number 47% of the overall populace voted
>>> for him,  then there was also likely some racism involved. Probably
>>> less, because 45% voted for Barak, but the numbers seem to indicate that
>>> there was some level of racism.
>>>
>>> However, that doesn't mean that I voting for McCain, or Brad, or anyone
>>> else, means they did so for racist reasons.
>>>
>>> Yet there were those, both on here and in the general population, that
>>> insisted that anyone supporting McCain was doing so out of bigotry and
>>> racism. That was my point.
>>>
>>> Alan Keyes, when he ran against Barak in Illinois, was pilloried, and
>>> was indeed called "not really black."
>>> More widespread (I'm sure because he was better known), when  Colin
>>> Powell supported President Bush, he was called an Uncle Tom (as was
>>> Condi Rice, who has my wholehearted support - wouldn't a Rice/Palin
>>> ticket have been interesting??, I'd have voted for them!!).
>>>
>>> These things may be ignored, but they cannot be honestly denied.
>>>
>>> And then, an idiot ignorant fool like David comes along, and calls me a
>>> bigot and a racist, with no explanation as to why.
>>>
>>> Not only was there no explanation, he doesn't know what he's talking
>>> about, but that's the true hallmark of someone that's ignorant.
>>>
>>> The idiocy part comes when they refuse to recognize their ignorance.
>>>
>>> And, unfortunately, I HAVEN'T been sailing in a while, about 3 weeks.
>>> However, we'll be on the lake this weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb
>>>>
>>>> The disdain comment came from John, not me. There does seem to be a grain of
>>>> truth in it, though.
>>>>
>>>> My comment to Brad was that the race card in this post, or string,
>>>> originated in your comments on the election, which concentrated on the race
>>>> issue and the perception of it by diffferent sectors in society.
>>>> As to who thrust what on whom, I bow out, er back out, er, can't seem to get
>>>> out no matter what I write, during the pre-election fervor, I do not know ,
>>>> not do I care. THIS  post brought it up.
>>>>
>>>> I find the race card passe' as the real issue on the table for me and my
>>>> family and my business is the behaviour of the free market socialists who
>>>> are reaching into our pockets. I vote 'shoot Hank Paulson while Bernanke
>>>> watches'.
>>>>
>>>> Been sailing much lately?
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> I said nothing about disdain for anyone. I simply posted my views.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, for posting my views, I was called a racist and a bigot.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record, I didn't bring up the race issue, It was thrust in front
>>>>> of me constantly during this election, including watching the returns on
>>>>> election night.
>>>>>
>>>>> The way I presented my views may indeed have been provocative, and I
>>>>> WELCOME responses (that's the whole idea of a discussion); however, I
>>>>> called no one names, nor did I do anything I thought deserving of the
>>>>> response I got.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, David's full of shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Shulick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that Herb brought up the race issue here, not David. The way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Herb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> presented his observation was provocative, and it provoked a response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb and Dave have to live with that. My specific point is that the
>>>>>> directive to 'give it a rest' should really be for the two of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Trying to get it to stop is like trying to stop the tide. Herb Ed and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> god
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> have made it very clear that they have no intentions of ever relenting on
>>>>>> their constant posts espousing there views and their distain for anyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> dosen't agree. I wonder, does Ed own that O day 26?? It would be ironic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the most vocal people on the Rhodes 22 site don't own the boat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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