[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Thu Nov 13 11:32:54 EST 2008 

Rummy,

You're an a-hole!

Brad

PS - Good work, dude!

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> Ben C.,
> The real question we want answered is whether or not you follow the
> ambulance to the hospital?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2008 11:24:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bcittadino at dcs-law.com writes:
>
>
> Folks;
>
> Please put me on the side of the ledger of those who  DO NOT want to Herb
> removed from the list.
>
> Having joined the list  only this past summer in anticipation of taking
> delivery of my very  first  R22 I must say that my exposure to Herb has been
> brief, but  intense.
>
> I won't go into a big song and dance about my reasons except  to say that as
> much as I wish it were not so, I still find it practically  impossible to
> drive past a horrible wreck on the interstate without slowing  a little to
> take a peek. God forgive me.
>
> Best wishes to all  (especially to Herb);
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I was actually going to sit by and watch  these without response, but you
>> mused on one thing that I think  merits a response:
>>
>> =====
>> It is for this reason that I  will not place a filter on Herb's traffic,
>> although others are free  to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help
>> these people set up such  as filter, although his motivation for such an
>> offer of help eludes  me.)
>> =====
>>
>> I volunteered to do so because I was  calling their bluff. I do not
>> believe for an instant that those that  are complaining loudly really
>> want to simply ignore my posts. Were  that true, the whole thing would be
>> simple enough, the technology  exists for them to completely ignore them.
>> My offer removes the "I  don't know how to do it" excuse.
>>
>> Brad touched on this, and  actually expressed my views to just about to a
>> T. Most of those that  really just don't want to be bothered with my
>> posts do what I do with  the ones I don't particularly want to be
>> bothered with. They just  ignore/delete them. However, there are a group
>> of folks on here that  want to be free to spew THEIR vitriol without
>> response. That's what's  "wrong and selfish".
>>
>> And yes Slim, when you say that anyone  that believes in God, or has
>> religious convictions, is a religious  kook, that's vitriol. That's
>> baiting. That's being a troll. Make use  of that mirror that Brad spoke of.
>>
>> I've never attacked anyone  on here, or anyone else, for not believing
>> the way I do. I resent  having my views treated that way, and will
>> respond  accordingly.
>>
>> So, again to summarize, the reason I offer to  help folks is to point out
>> the hypocrisy of their statements that  they simply don't want to see my
>> messages. The truth is, they don't  want anyone to see my messages. They
>> want to be free to have one side  expressed, and only one side.
>>
>> Slim's latest attempt is  further evidence of that.
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Weisner  wrote:
>>> Although I have been annoyed by Herb's actions at times, I  cannot and
>>> would
>>> not support such an action.   Steve (Slim), I think that you have
>>> overreacted
>>> to  Herb's recent activity.  This forum provides a method of dealing with
>>> this kind of behavior through discussion without resorting  to
>>> administrative
>>> censure.
>>>
>>>  Yes, Herb does bully and annoy people, but do we want participants to  be
>>> so
>>> afraid of administrative removal that we do not  say what is important and
>>> on
>>> our minds?  This is  what the world is like and our sailor's bar is but a
>>> small sample  of the world.  I appreciate Herb's intelligence (when he
>>> does
>>> not just shoot the messenger for the heck of it) and those pearls  that he
>>> occasionally publishes such as his friend's blog and  sailing adventures.
>>> To
>>> remove such a person is to  lessen the experience of life.  It is for this
>>> reason that I  will not place a filter on Herb's traffic, although others
>>> are
>>> free to do so (Herb has even volunteered to help these people set  up such
>>> as
>>> filter, although his motivation for such  an offer of help eludes me.)
>>>
>>> I think (statement of  opinion, Herb) that we can deal with the situation
>>> as
>>>  a community, expressing personal beliefs and such, as long as the
>>>  discussion
>>> does not become a slugfest or personal attack.  I  would ask that Herb
>>> think
>>> a bit longer before  responding, lest he respond only to achieve the last
>>> word.   Others are free to advise that they would not like to hear from
>>>  Herb.
>>> Hopefully, through this exchange, we will seek a new level  of discussion,
>>> appropriate to most who contribute to "da  list."  Those who are unhappy
>>> with
>>> the traffic  as being "not about sailing a Rhodes 22" or too caustic
>>> subject
>>> matter are free to start their own list.
>>>
>>>  Mike
>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>       Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Steven Alm"  <stevenalm at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>>> 2008
>>> 3:36 AM
>>>
>>>> To JLo and  MJM,
>>>>
>>>> We have a troll on our list that has been  causing problems and
>>>> instilling
>>>> hatred and  posting foul diatribes for months now.  He has caused many  to
>>>> filter him out and/or delete his posts in disgust.  I,  myself have
>>>> received
>>>> numerous back-channel  messages complaining about him and his rude and
>>>> inappropriate  posts.  This should come to a halt.  As a member of this
>>>> fine
>>>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8 or  9 years, I've seen only one
>>>> other
>>>> member who  has shown such a disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
>>>>  list.
>>>> That individual was ultimately relieved of his status  here and
>>>> thankfully
>>>> is
>>>> no  longer a member.  I recommend that this troll be sanctioned and no
>>>> longer
>>>> be allowed to participate in our  otherwise polite and courteous exchange
>>>> of
>>>>  sailing and/or other topics.  He has disrupted our list for too long and
>
>>>> has
>>>> caused too many arguments for the rest of  us to be comfortable with
>>>> posting
>>>> our usual  thoughts on any given topic without being lambasted with his
>>>>  vitriol.  He continues to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with
>>>> his
>>>> positions and in doing so has created an  environment of hostility that
>>>> has
>>>> made the  Rhodes list a den of venom.  I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I
>>>> ask
>>>> that you consider removing him from our  group.  He contributes little
>>>> other
>>>> than  arguments and stifles many from contributing to this wonderful
>>>>  forum.
>>>> I want him out!
>>>>
>>>> Steve  Alm  aka  "Slim"
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