[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -

Thu Nov 13 11:55:30 EST 2008

John,

"Unless you have walked a mile in that persons' shoes you have
absolutely no idea of what had transpired in that persons' life to put
them in that situation."

Thank you.  That is the mindset of my father and an adage I grew-up
with in a small town.  My wife and daughter and I visited that small
town for a couple of days last month (and a couple of days is more
than enough for me) and things haven't changed much.  People who are
down on their luck still come by Louis and Bonnie's house for a meal,
to borrow 20 bucks, sometimes advice, but usually just the 20 bucks.
We went by the local bank on the way out of town and threw a check in
the night depository, no explanation or directions needed, they'll
look at the name on the check and it will hit the appropriate account.
 Some of that money will go towards the winter gas bill and some will
be "loaned" out $20 at a time, never to be repaid. Before I-40 was
built and US 40 was still the main artery East-West through the middle
of the country, there was never a shortage of travellers who broke
down in our little village of 630 people. Mom would feed'em and Dad
would patch-up their car and I never did quite understand what all the
fuss was about while we we're freezing our asses off because it was
winter and construction employees are unemployed through the winter.

Be careful of labels and harsh judgments.  One of the benefits of
having visited a plethora of third-world countries is that you learn a
smile is a smile, a good meal is a good meal, and we don't have but 3%
difference in our DNA at the max reference point.

"Judge not lest ye be judged".

Brad

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net> wrote:
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> quote author Tootle
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> "I saw Herb responding to attacks and snide remarks on his beliefs.  John
> S.'s remarks and innuendo set the tone.  He is the troll if there is one."
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> Ed,
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>   I will openly admit that my comments contributed to the current
> situation. Now I'll tell you why I made them. Herbs' use of the word
> "non-productive" really got under my skin. Tell me what right he has to
> determine who's productive and who's not. Unless you have walked a mile in
> that persons' shoes you have absolutely no idea of what had transpired in
> that persons' life to put them in that situation. Once you've determined
> they have no value and don't contribute what becomes of them. You don't want
> to pay to educate them. They can't find work that pays them enough to feed
> and house themselves so what's left? Let them wander homeless,  committing
> crimes to stay alive until society has had enough? What I posted was the
> logical conclusion of Herbs' thought and that enraged him. I understand
> there was a tradition of someone announcing themselves to this forum, I
> formally apologize to the list membership I will do so now. Hello everybody
> on the Rhodes 22 forum, my name is John Shulick and I hail from Pittsburgh,
> Pa. I'm 50 years old, for 30 years I tried to make a living as a vocalist by
> performing as a member of the Pittsburgh opera chorus and soloist or section
> leader for any church or temple who would hire me. In addition, because
> being a vocalist pays next to nothing I have done menial labor my entire
> life installing repairing and maintaining swimming pools in the Pittsburgh
> area. My father died when I was 15 I was on my own by age 19. It took me 10
> years to get my college degree(BM Duquesne University 86) in a combination
> of full and part time attendance. My average annual income is less than 15K
> a year and I've worked as many as 4 jobs at one time to earn that. If it
> weren't for the fact my wife has a real job I would be living under a bridge
> somewhere as one of Herbs' non-productive people. The purchase of my beat up
> old 71 Rhodes is one of the high points in my life and it has been a great
> joy refinishing the hull and teaching myself to sail it this year. I joined
> this forum hoping to benefit from the accumulated knowledge here and I have.
> I do not mind political discussion but I DO mind the constant insinuation
> that my and others opinions name us as communist socialist and un american.
> Sometimes Ed I wonder if you, Herb, and god (Brads' own label not mine)
> simply post this stuff on a public forum to provoke fights? I respect you
> because of your tremendous knowledge concerning the Rhodes 22 and sailing in
> general but you insult me when your response to someone is go to Stan and
> throw money at him as a solution to everything Rhodes. Some of us can't do
> that. Oh and by the way I did catch you're oblique threat to me some months
> ago made as an aside to Elle (shoot the western Pa turkey). Do it again and
> I will see if Ben C. would like to own 1/3 of a marina. In his last post
> Herb asked me what was up my butt. What's up my butt is the conservative
> enema you three have placed there with your constant postings on your views.
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> Nuff said
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> John Shulick
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> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
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>> Slim,
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>> Well, at least you get extra credit for making your view public and
>> for not taking a back-channel approach, but you are wrong. I don't see
>> a man defending his reputation vigorously as engaging in vitriol.
>> This group is no different than any other and is certainly capable of
>> "gang behavior", and quite frankly, several of you have ganged-up on
>> Herb as of late, including you Slim.
>>
>> "If you seek perfection, look in the mirror.  If you find it there,
>> seek it in others".  M. Forbes
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>> Is what you are asking a sneak preview of the Fairness Doctrine? I
>> don't like it already!  To my knowledge the only self-admitted
>> "troll" on the list has already departed.  Herb is no troll.
>>
>> Slim, you and your comrades do what you think is best, but I think
>> you're being unfair and selfish.
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>> Brad
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>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:36 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To JLo and MJM,
>>>
>>> We have a troll on our list that has been causing problems and instilling
>>> hatred and posting foul diatribes for months now.  He has caused many to
>>> filter him out and/or delete his posts in disgust.  I, myself have
>>> received
>>> numerous back-channel messages complaining about him and his rude and
>>> inappropriate posts.  This should come to a halt.  As a member of this
>>> fine
>>> community of Rhodes owners for some 8 or 9 years, I've seen only one
>>> other
>>> member who has shown such a disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
>>> list.
>>> That individual was ultimately relieved of his status here and thankfully
>>> is
>>> no longer a member.  I recommend that this troll be sanctioned and no
>>> longer
>>> be allowed to participate in our otherwise polite and courteous exchange
>>> of
>>> sailing and/or other topics.  He has disrupted our list for too long and
>>> has
>>> caused too many arguments for the rest of us to be comfortable with
>>> posting
>>> our usual thoughts on any given topic without being lambasted with his
>>> vitriol.  He continues to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with
>>> his
>>> positions and in doing so has created an environment of hostility that
>>> has
>>> made the Rhodes list a den of venom.  I'm referring to Herb Parsons.  I
>>> ask
>>> that you consider removing him from our group.  He contributes little
>>> other
>>> than arguments and stifles many from contributing to this wonderful
>>> forum.
>>> I want him out!
>>>
>>> Steve Alm  aka  "Slim"
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