[Rhodes22-list] Political - Palin, Obama
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Nov 19 23:53:02 EST 2008
What did you find so offensive in my response Robert? Is it simply that
I happen to disagree, or did I touch a nerve? You know, there was not a
single thing in my response that was insulting you, so why the "you get
the last word - a lot of last words... you win" type bullshit?
Robert Skinner wrote:
> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
> You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
> Satisfied?
>
> /Robert
>
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>
>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin not
>> fading off into the sunset.
>>
>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is elected.
>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin, he's
>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and commitments
>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why I'm
>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>
>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able to
>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He was
>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and give
>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he will
>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people reporting
>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas bill
>> and their mortgages.
>>
>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was that
>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>
>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers, it
>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally be
>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like what
>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>
>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a nation
>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>
>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>
>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in one
>> term..."
>>
>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>
>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be interesting.
>>
>>
>> I hope that the voters
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>
>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>
>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>
>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>> few words together without tripping on
>>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>
>>> /Robert
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone with
>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>
>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack (or
>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and what he
>>>> represents.
>>>>
>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what the
>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him back then.
>>>>
>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a group
>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result is our
>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part responsible
>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>
>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing with,
>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep thinker
>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made it
>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
>>>>
>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>> international community. They do not have the
>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>> brains.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far left
>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator" or a
>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively) to.
>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they started
>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter. Carter!!!
>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian man, and a
>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep thinking
>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done your
>>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov. Palin's
>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your thinking
>>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago, Palin can
>>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed by a Harvard
>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the country, I wish
>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my family, "we're
>>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a leader with a
>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
>>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily surprised if it
>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words from Sarah
>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me
>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there
>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption
>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska's
>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a
>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are a few other
>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
>>>>>>>>>>
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