[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Tue Nov 25 07:32:41 EST 2008


Slim,

Stick to music.  Here's a suggestion for a new 'partner' to accompany you -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThSi1wbqU&eurl=http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/&feature=player_embedded

Brad

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Herb,
>
> You keep bringing this up  I suppose out of some kind of indignation.  As a
> Christian, I don't blame you.  You have every right to your religious
> beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious extremism as
> a threat to our civilization.  Not that I think you, yourself are an
> extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in general, no
> matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict.  I remember hearing
> an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say something to
> Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?"  His answer was,  "I would tell him
> he's not a Muslim."  He's wrong.  Osama IS a Muslim.  An extreme Muslim.
> Extremism is the enemy.
>
> You talked about transubstantiation.  Many Christian denominations believe
> in that or something close.  Or they believe in some kind of representation
> of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism.  No
> thanks!  From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it sounds
> like a myth.  I'm not buyin' it.  It's just too kooky.
>
> As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
> around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a hard and
> fast rule.  Reincarnation--I doubt it.  Ghosts--no opinion.  Don't need
> one.  The existence of God?  The invisible man in the sky who knows when you
> are sleeping and knows when you're awake...?  Merry Christmas.
>
> You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth.  Religion
> throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions:  Where did we
> come from?  How shall we live?  What happens when we die?
>
> Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love.  I believe
> that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only chance to
> be a man.
>
> Slim
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>
>> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll openly
>> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
>> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in God,
>> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
>>
>> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
>> warming morality" beliefs.
>>
>> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
>>
>> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
>> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the VP
>> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly teaches
>> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously becomes
>> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
>>
>> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
>> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing, and
>> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
>>
>> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
>>
>> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
>>
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> > Herb,
>> >
>> > Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
>> > have religious beliefs.  There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
>> > that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever the
>> > accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
>> > most are the most intolerant people I know.  Racist?  I'll pay a
>> > hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
>> > what race I am.  Make it a thousand for my daughter.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing different
>> >> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
>> >> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational discussion
>> >> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
>> >> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are the
>> >> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I would
>> >> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with additional
>> >> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met with
>> >> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that time
>> >> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
>> >>
>> >> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may even
>> >> go the extra step for a while.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Herb,
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand and I agree with you.  I did not mean to suggest that you
>> >>> were being irrational.  But you got the point because you said:
>> >>>
>> >>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it may
>> (and
>> >>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
>> >>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
>> >>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
>> >>>
>> >>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as you
>> >>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
>> counter
>> >>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the same
>> >>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
>> mechanism.
>> >>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months.  I know you have
>> the
>> >>> intellect and the capability.  The only question is whether you have
>> the
>> >>> desire.  Why not give it a try?  I don't see any downside.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take a
>> >>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that attack
>> >>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are committed by
>> >>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a racist"
>> >>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because John
>> is
>> >>>> merely repeating a fact.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it would
>> NOT
>> >>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view is a
>> >>>> racist view.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational. It
>> may
>> >>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may (and
>> >>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering a
>> >>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often be
>> >>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be well
>> >>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception to the
>> >>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really has a
>> >>>> reason to complain.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Herb,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't you
>> >>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does or
>> >>>>> says?
>> >>>>>  Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop to
>> >>>>> someone else's level?  If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.
>> >>>>> Perhaps
>> >>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.  Stay
>> >>>>> above
>> >>>>> the fray.  You're better than that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Paul
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and
>> look
>> >>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change in
>> what
>> >>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions rationally. I
>> >>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
>> >>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>> >>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>> >>>>>>> your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> /Robert
>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>> Hank wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Robert,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a reasonable
>> >>>>>>>> response
>> >>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you
>> >>>>>>>> get
>> >>>>>>>> huffy
>> >>>>>>>> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right to
>> bitch
>> >>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hank
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>> >>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>> >>>>>>>>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
>> >>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> /Robert
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about
>> >>>>>>>>>> Palin
>> >>>>>>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is
>> >>>>>>>>>> elected.
>> >>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
>> margin,
>> >>>>>>>>>> he's
>> >>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>> >>>>>>>>>> commitments
>> >>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>> >>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's
>> why
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be
>> >>>>>>>>>> able
>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
>> promises.
>> >>>>>>>>>> He
>> >>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> give
>> >>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than
>> he
>> >>>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
>> >>>>>>>>>> reporting
>> >>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their
>> gas
>> >>>>>>>>>> bill
>> >>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>> >>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise"
>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
>> >>>>>>>>>> followers,
>> >>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
>> literally
>> >>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess
>> like
>> >>>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
>> >>>>>>>>>> "success"
>> >>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>> nation
>> >>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
>> mountains
>> >>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we
>> >>>>>>>>>> surely
>> >>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed
>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>> one
>> >>>>>>>>>> term..."
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what
>> he
>> >>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>> >>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>> >>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
>> >>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
>> someone
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a
>> lack
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
>> receive a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> he
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about
>> him
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> back
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> then.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he
>> let a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> group
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal
>> result
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
>> dealing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> made
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
>> "talk".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the
>> far
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
>> (negatively)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they
>> did
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
>> Carter.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
>> Christian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> and a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence on
>> Gov.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Palin's
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do
>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> thinking
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
>> Chicago,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the
>> country,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my
>> family,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader
>> with a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can
>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Sarah
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> relevance to me
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> there
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> corruption
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Alaska's
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> it a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this
>> issue."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> few other
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theaters,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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