[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Nov 26 12:55:10 EST 2008
I'm afraid of people that have morals but no religious beliefs. When
people that have morals that are not founded in a belief system "higher
than themselves", that means that their morals are subject to change.
I disagree that morals came first then God. I've seen too many people
radically changed when they found God.
TN Rhodey wrote:
> Herb, I am not religious but I don't knock those that are. I would have to
> trash to many friends and family.
>
> Are you of the opinion that man would not have morals/values without
> religion? I would suggest the values may have come first. Then once
> established the Bible, Koran and such were written. Most animals have a
> level of acceptable herd/pack behaviour.
>
> Regarding karma....if you treat people like trash most likely others will
> treat you the same. Like the old expression what goes around comes around.
> For me nothing religious about it.
>
> Fair Winds,
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>
>
>> You caught that, huh?
>>
>> When I asked on here what constituted "extremists" in religion, one of
>> the responses I got, when you boiled it down, was that basically if you
>> belong to any of the mainstream religions, and actually believe what
>> they preach, you're an extremist.
>>
>> I would appear that we are heading for a time when "religion" is
>> acceptable only when the churches are social or political organizations.
>> In other words, belonging to a church will be acceptable as long as your
>> church isn't religious.
>>
>> That will be a sad state of affairs on a nation whose roots are founded
>> in freedom of religion.
>>
>> Even Slim hinted at a "religious belief" though he probably won't
>> acknowledge it as such:
>>
>> "Karma--what goes around comes round--I wouldn't argue with that
>> although I don't think that's a hard and fast rule."
>>
>> I have to wonder, even if it's not a "hard and fast rule", even if it's
>> something that only happens most of the time - what is the actuating
>> mechanism? What would cause the karma to take effect. Is it magic? Is it
>> the great force of the universe that intervenes from time to time to
>> keep things in balance? Is it the Judeo-Christian God saying "I meant it
>> when I siad you mow what you sow"? Whatever supernatural entity that
>> Slim believes keeps karma in balance is (at least one of) his god(s). He
>> may not worship that god, but in his statement, he's at least
>> acknowledging its existence.
>>
>> THAT was the point of my post that prompted his latest. And I STILL find
>> it ironic that those that denigrate mainstream religion will freely
>> embrace other "belief" based systems.
>>
>> One of Slim's fellow musicians once said:
>>
>> You may call me anything but no matter what you say
>> You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
>> You're gonna have to serve somebody.
>> Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
>> But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
>>
>>
>> And sorry all you science buffs, there is nothing scientific that
>> supports morality. You MAY make the argument that it's better socially,
>> but that's not a scientific study. If all we're looking for is to "get
>> the most" out of our three score and ten, then Ghengis Khan may have had
>> a better idea.
>>
>> BTW, I have friends, close friends, that include a broad variety of
>> religious beliefs, including agnostics and atheists. It's funny that in
>> spite of my "kooky" beliefs and "extremism", I can find room for them
>> and their beliefs, but some of the libs on here have no room for mine.
>>
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> The irony of Slim's rant is that he denigrates one set of beliefs, and
>>> then goes on to defend his own set of beliefs (atheism). As a
>>> practicing agnostic, I don't "have a dog in this hunt" other than
>>> having a diverse collection of friends of all faiths.
>>>
>>> I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who preach tolerance
>>> the most are often the most intolerant.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Slim,
>>>>
>>>> I simply believe you're wrong. Not that you're a kook, not that you're
>>>> an idiot. Simply that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I have no need to label your beliefs as "extreme" or "kookie" or
>>>> anything else like that, just that they I believe they're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand the need for you and others like you to denigrate the
>>>> beliefs of others. When you call the beliefs of others "myths", you
>>>> begin down that road. When you start refer to it by saying "Merry
>>>> Christmas", you've become obnoxious about it.
>>>>
>>>> Think about this, think if you came to me in the little bar we all like
>>>> to discuss, and said "Hey man, music is my life, I LOVE music" and
>>>> responded "Anyone who devotes a life to changing air waves is an idiot
>>>> and a looser", what would be your response?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> You keep bringing this up I suppose out of some kind of indignation.
>>>>>
>> As a
>>
>>>>> Christian, I don't blame you. You have every right to your religious
>>>>> beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious
>>>>>
>> extremism as
>>
>>>>> a threat to our civilization. Not that I think you, yourself are an
>>>>> extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in
>>>>>
>> general, no
>>
>>>>> matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict. I remember
>>>>>
>> hearing
>>
>>>>> an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say
>>>>>
>> something to
>>
>>>>> Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?" His answer was, "I would tell
>>>>>
>> him
>>
>>>>> he's not a Muslim." He's wrong. Osama IS a Muslim. An extreme
>>>>>
>> Muslim.
>>
>>>>> Extremism is the enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>> You talked about transubstantiation. Many Christian denominations
>>>>>
>> believe
>>
>>>>> in that or something close. Or they believe in some kind of
>>>>>
>> representation
>>
>>>>> of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism. No
>>>>> thanks! From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it
>>>>>
>> sounds
>>
>>>>> like a myth. I'm not buyin' it. It's just too kooky.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
>>>>> around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a hard
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> fast rule. Reincarnation--I doubt it. Ghosts--no opinion. Don't need
>>>>> one. The existence of God? The invisible man in the sky who knows
>>>>>
>> when you
>>
>>>>> are sleeping and knows when you're awake...? Merry Christmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth. Religion
>>>>> throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions: Where
>>>>>
>> did we
>>
>>>>> come from? How shall we live? What happens when we die?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love. I
>>>>>
>> believe
>>
>>>>> that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only chance
>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> be a man.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com
>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll
>>>>>>
>> openly
>>
>>>>>> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
>>>>>> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in
>>>>>>
>> God,
>>
>>>>>> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
>>>>>> warming morality" beliefs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
>>>>>> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the VP
>>>>>> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly
>>>>>>
>> teaches
>>
>>>>>> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously
>>>>>>
>> becomes
>>
>>>>>> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
>>>>>> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing, and
>>>>>> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
>>>>>>> have religious beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
>>>>>>> that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever the
>>>>>>> accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
>>>>>>> most are the most intolerant people I know. Racist? I'll pay a
>>>>>>> hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
>>>>>>> what race I am. Make it a thousand for my daughter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <
>>>>>>>
>> hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing
>>>>>>>>
>> different
>>
>>>>>>>> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
>>>>>>>> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational
>>>>>>>>
>> discussion
>>
>>>>>>>> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
>>>>>>>> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are
>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I
>>>>>>>>
>> would
>>
>>>>>>>> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with additional
>>>>>>>> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met
>>>>>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>>>>>> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that
>>>>>>>>
>> time
>>
>>>>>>>> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may
>>>>>>>>
>> even
>>
>>>>>>>> go the extra step for a while.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand and I agree with you. I did not mean to suggest that
>>>>>>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>> were being irrational. But you got the point because you said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it
>>>>>>>>>
>> may
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering
>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often
>>>>>>>>>
>> be
>>
>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as you
>>>>>>>>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the
>>>>>>>>>
>> same
>>
>>>>>>>>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months. I know you
>>>>>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> intellect and the capability. The only question is whether you
>>>>>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> desire. Why not give it a try? I don't see any downside.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take a
>>>>>>>>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that
>>>>>>>>>>
>> attack
>>
>>>>>>>>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are
>>>>>>>>>>
>> committed by
>>
>>>>>>>>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a
>>>>>>>>>>
>> racist"
>>
>>>>>>>>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because
>>>>>>>>>>
>> John
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> merely repeating a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it
>>>>>>>>>>
>> would
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view
>>>>>>>>>>
>> is a
>>
>>>>>>>>>> racist view.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>
>> It
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> may
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may
>>>>>>>>>>
>> (and
>>
>>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>
>> Countering a
>>
>>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
>>>>>>>>>>
>> often be
>>
>>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be
>>>>>>>>>>
>> well
>>
>>>>>>>>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception to
>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really
>>>>>>>>>>
>> has a
>>
>>>>>>>>>> reason to complain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> or
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> says?
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's level? If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Stay
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>> the fray. You're better than that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> look
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> rationally. I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Hank. When I reviewed the exchange,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your message was rational. I am in the wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one. Herb came back with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> reasonable
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huffy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain? You have just lost any credibility or right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> about
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> margin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> I'll be
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> That's
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> why
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> will be
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> promises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> minority
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> than
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> their
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> promise"
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Afghanistan
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> mess
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "success"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mountains
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> we
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> succeed
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> when
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> what
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> hearing
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> receive a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> him
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> overlook
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> about
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> him
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> he
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> let a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> result
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> part
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> deep
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> already
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "talk".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international community. They do not have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> far
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (negatively)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> they
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> did
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> they
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> deep
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> haven't
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gov.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> do
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> country,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> family,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a leader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> can
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> final
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> dictators
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> well,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> issue."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> (and so
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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