[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Nov 26 14:41:53 EST 2008
Actually, what you're telling me is that you found Roy. Different being.
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> I've found God on several occasions. They all involved massive quantities of
> alcohol and we really had great conversations. One thing you should know is
> that his name is really Roy. He doesn't understand where this God name came
> from.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2008 12:55:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> I'm afraid of people that have morals but no religious beliefs. When
> people that have morals that are not founded in a belief system "higher
> than themselves", that means that their morals are subject to change.
>
> I disagree that morals came first then God. I've seen too many people
> radically changed when they found God.
>
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
>
>> Herb, I am not religious but I don't knock those that are. I would have to
>> trash to many friends and family.
>>
>> Are you of the opinion that man would not have morals/values without
>> religion? I would suggest the values may have come first. Then once
>> established the Bible, Koran and such were written. Most animals have a
>> level of acceptable herd/pack behaviour.
>>
>> Regarding karma....if you treat people like trash most likely others will
>> treat you the same. Like the old expression what goes around comes around.
>> For me nothing religious about it.
>>
>> Fair Winds,
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Herb Parsons
>>
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> You caught that, huh?
>>>
>>> When I asked on here what constituted "extremists" in religion, one of
>>> the responses I got, when you boiled it down, was that basically if you
>>> belong to any of the mainstream religions, and actually believe what
>>> they preach, you're an extremist.
>>>
>>> I would appear that we are heading for a time when "religion" is
>>> acceptable only when the churches are social or political organizations.
>>> In other words, belonging to a church will be acceptable as long as your
>>> church isn't religious.
>>>
>>> That will be a sad state of affairs on a nation whose roots are founded
>>> in freedom of religion.
>>>
>>> Even Slim hinted at a "religious belief" though he probably won't
>>> acknowledge it as such:
>>>
>>> "Karma--what goes around comes round--I wouldn't argue with that
>>> although I don't think that's a hard and fast rule."
>>>
>>> I have to wonder, even if it's not a "hard and fast rule", even if it's
>>> something that only happens most of the time - what is the actuating
>>> mechanism? What would cause the karma to take effect. Is it magic? Is it
>>> the great force of the universe that intervenes from time to time to
>>> keep things in balance? Is it the Judeo-Christian God saying "I meant it
>>> when I siad you mow what you sow"? Whatever supernatural entity that
>>> Slim believes keeps karma in balance is (at least one of) his god(s). He
>>> may not worship that god, but in his statement, he's at least
>>> acknowledging its existence.
>>>
>>> THAT was the point of my post that prompted his latest. And I STILL find
>>> it ironic that those that denigrate mainstream religion will freely
>>> embrace other "belief" based systems.
>>>
>>> One of Slim's fellow musicians once said:
>>>
>>> You may call me anything but no matter what you say
>>> You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
>>> You're gonna have to serve somebody.
>>> Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
>>> But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
>>>
>>>
>>> And sorry all you science buffs, there is nothing scientific that
>>> supports morality. You MAY make the argument that it's better socially,
>>> but that's not a scientific study. If all we're looking for is to "get
>>> the most" out of our three score and ten, then Ghengis Khan may have had
>>> a better idea.
>>>
>>> BTW, I have friends, close friends, that include a broad variety of
>>> religious beliefs, including agnostics and atheists. It's funny that in
>>> spite of my "kooky" beliefs and "extremism", I can find room for them
>>> and their beliefs, but some of the libs on here have no room for mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> The irony of Slim's rant is that he denigrates one set of beliefs, and
>>>> then goes on to defend his own set of beliefs (atheism). As a
>>>> practicing agnostic, I don't "have a dog in this hunt" other than
>>>> having a diverse collection of friends of all faiths.
>>>>
>>>> I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who preach tolerance
>>>> the most are often the most intolerant.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply believe you're wrong. Not that you're a kook, not that you're
>>>>> an idiot. Simply that you're wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no need to label your beliefs as "extreme" or "kookie" or
>>>>> anything else like that, just that they I believe they're wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand the need for you and others like you to denigrate the
>>>>> beliefs of others. When you call the beliefs of others "myths", you
>>>>> begin down that road. When you start refer to it by saying "Merry
>>>>> Christmas", you've become obnoxious about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about this, think if you came to me in the little bar we all like
>>>>> to discuss, and said "Hey man, music is my life, I LOVE music" and
>>>>> responded "Anyone who devotes a life to changing air waves is an idiot
>>>>> and a looser", what would be your response?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep bringing this up I suppose out of some kind of indignation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> As a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Christian, I don't blame you. You have every right to your religious
>>>>>> beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> extremism as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> a threat to our civilization. Not that I think you, yourself are an
>>>>>> extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> general, no
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict. I remember
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> hearing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> something to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?" His answer was, "I would tell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> him
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> he's not a Muslim." He's wrong. Osama IS a Muslim. An extreme
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Muslim.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Extremism is the enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You talked about transubstantiation. Many Christian denominations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> believe
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> in that or something close. Or they believe in some kind of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> representation
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism. No
>>>>>> thanks! From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> sounds
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> like a myth. I'm not buyin' it. It's just too kooky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
>>>>>> around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a
>>>>>>
> hard
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> fast rule. Reincarnation--I doubt it. Ghosts--no opinion. Don't
>>>>>>
> need
>
>>>>>> one. The existence of God? The invisible man in the sky who knows
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> when you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> are sleeping and knows when you're awake...? Merry Christmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth.
>>>>>>
> Religion
>
>>>>>> throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions: Where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> did we
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> come from? How shall we live? What happens when we die?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love. I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> believe
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only
>>>>>>
> chance
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> be a man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> openly
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
>>>>>>> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> God,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
>>>>>>> warming morality" beliefs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
>>>>>>> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the VP
>>>>>>> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> teaches
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> becomes
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
>>>>>>> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing, and
>>>>>>> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
>>>>>>>> have religious beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
>>>>>>>> that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever
>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>> accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
>>>>>>>> most are the most intolerant people I know. Racist? I'll pay a
>>>>>>>> hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
>>>>>>>> what race I am. Make it a thousand for my daughter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> different
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
>>>>>>>>> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
>>>>>>>>> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with
>>>>>>>>>
> additional
>
>>>>>>>>> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> time
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> even
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> go the extra step for a while.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I understand and I agree with you. I did not mean to suggest that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were being irrational. But you got the point because you said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> may
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
>>>>>>>>>>
> often
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as
>>>>>>>>>>
> you
>
>>>>>>>>>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> same
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months. I know you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intellect and the capability. The only question is whether you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> desire. Why not give it a try? I don't see any downside.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take
>>>>>>>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>>>>>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> attack
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> committed by
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> racist"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> merely repeating a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> racist view.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> It
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Countering a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> often be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> well
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception
>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> has a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> reason to complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> does
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> says?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's level? If so, I think you are demeaning
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> yourself.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Stay
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fray. You're better than that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> rationally. I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Hank. When I reviewed the exchange,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your message was rational. I am in the wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one. Herb came back with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> reasonable
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> then
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huffy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain? You have just lost any credibility or right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You win. I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> margin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> I'll be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> That's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> will be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> promises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> minority
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> than
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> people
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> their
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> in
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> promise"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Afghanistan
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> mess
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "success"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> stomach
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mountains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Laden?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> succeed
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> when
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> what
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> hearing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> reflect
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> receive a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> him
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> overlook
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> he
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> let a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> personal
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> part
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> deep
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> already
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "talk".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international community. They do not have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> an
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (negatively)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> deep
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> haven't
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework. I suggest you do your own due diligence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gov.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> do
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you. Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chicago,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes. Frankly, I'm not impressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> by
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else. For the sake of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> country,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency. As for me and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> family,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear". How anyone can believe that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> leader
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me. No one will be more happily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business. We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster. We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> final
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> dictators
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> well,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> this
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> issue."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (and so
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the
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