[Rhodes22-list] Ed reduced to ethnic slurs (political, humor, psychology, pathology)
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Oct 15 22:53:00 EDT 2008
Ben,
By the very definition of "conservative", a person that abandons
traditional conservatism because of a candidate that is too far LEFT,
for someone that is even FURTHER left, is no longer a conservative, no
matter what they choose to call themselves. The argument makes no sense.
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> It's over. I'm declaring victory. Ed, with your last name you might want
> to reconsider the "ethnic slur" route as the way to go here. If that's all
> you've got "my friend", the war's over.
>
> Ben C.
>
> As for Herb;
>
> You're right, sons often disagree with fathers, but in this case Christopher
> Buckley is an avowed conservative who wrote for the National Review. I don't
> think he has ever manifested basic disagreement with his dad. I admit I
> haven't followed him closely but I believe most observers consider him a
> conservative. I'll check it out.
>
>
>
> Tootle wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> After seeing Ben C.'s post and your reply, I must ask, would all of Ben's
>> views mirror his father's?
>> In this case maybe yes? Was his father one of the Italian socialist who
>> brought Mussolini to power? Maybe here we have a chip off the old block?
>>
>> If you go back far enough in history of Italy, you find Rome. They had
>> slavery in the Roman Empire. They had emperors. They sent dissenters
>> such as Christians to the lions. Maybe his views have a historical or
>> genetic origin?
>>
>> In that Socialism is a modern form or attempt at slavery, have we found
>> the origins of his views? Inquiring minds want answers.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, big news there. A guy disagrees with the standards of his father,
>>> and has for years. Never seen THAT one happen before...
>>>
>>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>>> More news:
>>>>
>>>> "CNN-
>>>> MChristopher Buckley, the son of conservative icon William F. Buckley,
>>>> said
>>>> Tuesday he's resigned from the conservative National Review days after
>>>> endorsing Barack Obama's White House bid, among the most powerful
>>>> symbols
>>>> yet of the conservative discontent expressed this election cycle.
>>>>
>>>> In an online column, Buckley said he had decided to offer his
>>>> resignation
>>>> from the magazine his father founded after hundreds of readers and some
>>>> National Review colleagues expressed outrage he was backing the Illinois
>>>> senator.
>>>>
>>>> "While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer
>>>> have
>>>> any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands
>>>> for,"
>>>> Buckley wrote.
>>>>
>>>> "Eight years of 'conservative' government has brought us a doubled
>>>> national
>>>> debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere,
>>>> poster
>>>> boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by
>>>> politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a
>>>> truly
>>>> obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case," he
>>>> also
>>>> wrote.
>>>>
>>>> The resignation comes four days after Buckley formally endorsed Obama on
>>>> the
>>>> Web site The Daily Beast, writing the presidential campaign had made
>>>> John
>>>> McCain "inauthentic," and Obama appeared to have a "first-class
>>>> temperament
>>>> and first-class intellect."
>>>>
>>>> In a statement posted on the publication's Web site Tuesday, National
>>>> Review
>>>> editor Rich Lowry noted Buckley was writing for the magazine on a trial
>>>> basis, and took his offer to resign with the "warmest regards and
>>>> understanding" sincerely. Lowry also took issue with Buckley's
>>>> contention
>>>> the magazine had been flooded with angry mail over Buckley's
>>>> endorsement,
>>>> saying it had received a relatively small 100 e-mails expressing
>>>> disapproval.
>>>>
>>>> "It's an intense election season and emotions are running high," Lowry
>>>> said."
>>>>
>>>> Emotions running high? I'll say.
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you aware of what some Bible passages have to say about doing away
>>>>> with other races, certain races being God's chosen, what should be done
>>>>> with people that commit certain acts, etc? Is it your assertion that we
>>>>> shouldn't use the Bible because of those passages?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you aware of what some of our founding fathers said and did during
>>>>> their times? Is it your assertion that their quotes should not be used
>>>>> as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you aware that Obama freely quoted in his memiors from a man who
>>>>> said that God should damn America? Are you going to judge Obama, at the
>>>>> top of the Democratic ticket, by the same standard you are now trying
>>>>> judge the VP candidate on the Republican side?
>>>>>
>>>>> I somehow doubt it... But I AM eagerly awaiting your response...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Gov. Palin, Frank Rich (of the NYTimes) had a reference in
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> excellent column this past Sunday about her quote from Westbrook
>>>>>> Pegler:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No less disconcerting was a still-unexplained passage of Palin’s
>>>>>> convention
>>>>>> speech: Her use of an unattributed quote praising small-town America
>>>>>> (as
>>>>>> opposed to, say, Chicago and its community organizers) from Westbrook
>>>>>> Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism,
>>>>>> racism and violent rhetorical excess. After an assassin tried to kill
>>>>>> F.D.R.
>>>>>> at a Florida rally and murdered Chicago’s mayor instead in 1933,
>>>>>> Pegler
>>>>>> wrote that it was “regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara shot the wrong
>>>>>> man.”
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> the ’60s, Pegler had a wish for Bobby Kennedy: “Some white patriot of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> the snow falls.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe it is possible to justify any use of Pegler's words in
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> context in this day and age. Either she (or her speech-writer) are
>>>>>> Pegler
>>>>>> disciples, or guilty of appallingly bad judgment. Westbrook Pegler was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> very bad guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.- Ed- Let me get this straight; You don't listen to Limbaugh,
>>>>>> except
>>>>>> when you do? Is that it? Anyway,
>>>>>> WFAN(660 AM) is the place for sports talk up this way. Give it a
>>>>>> listen
>>>>>> next time you're up this way to take in a Broadway Show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the second paragraph of that report which you failed to
>>>>>>> mention,
>>>>>>> "Was the refusal to fire Mike Wooten the reason Palin fired
>>>>>>> Commissioner
>>>>>>> of Public Safety Walt Monegan? Not exclusively, and it was within her
>>>>>>> rights as the states' chief executive to fire him for just about any
>>>>>>> reason, even without cause."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter are you being paid by the Obama Campaign for your posts? Are
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> familiar with the term 'cherry picking'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben C. asked, " Do you think Rush Limbaugh has actually read Sowell's
>>>>>>> stuff, or just pretends?" I do not listen to Limbaugh except when I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> driving and that is usually less than an hour, so I have no idea of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> answer to your question. I guess you must listen more than me. Why
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> you call in and ask him? Let us all know what you find out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for talk radio, we have a couple of good sports talk shows here on
>>>>>>> Wcpi. One is called 'Road Rage' with Walt Deptula. He is quite
>>>>>>> knowledgeable and very critical. His program may have helped get the
>>>>>>> Clemson football coach, Tommy Bowdin fired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19981887/Obama%2Band%2BAyers.jpg
>>>>>>> Obama+and+Ayers.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ....except that's not what the bi-partisan investigation committee
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>> repubs and 4 demos found. she clearly abused her power. now they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> looking into the sports complex that paid for their personal house
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> government money. no small town washington reformer here. just
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> 'whats in it for me' politician.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from the time magazine article linked below: " ......the
>>>>>>>> Branchflower
>>>>>>>> report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly
>>>>>>>> answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin
>>>>>>>> administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19981887/Obama%2Band%2BAyers.jpg
>>>>>>> Obama+and+Ayers.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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