[Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
Chris Geankoplis
napoli68 at charter.net
Mon Sep 1 18:04:56 EDT 2008
Ed,
No need to lecture. We have a fundalmental difference on a couple of
issues. Wealth creation is a driving force from your point of view, it
trumps all. I disagree. Don't assume because someone holds a different
view they are ignorant and unread. No one has accused Brad of being
ignorant or unread (least wise as I recall). The fundalmental difference is
I shall never convince you of what I consider just and a priority, nor will
you convince me, no matter how blustery and agressive your approach is. Is
there some movement possible? Yes, but not on the basic principles that we
disagree on.
So when are you going sailing?
Most respectfully Yours,
Chris G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:50 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
>
>
> Chris said, "So let’s focus on the actual issues … the growing gap between
> rich and poor." That line is a façade of Marxism. Who are these alleged
> rich? An analysis of the richest 100 people in USA will show that 90 of
> them made their money by themselves and did not inherit it. How did they
do
> that?
>
> The answer was that it was initiative and opportunity. Not all with
> initiative make it, it takes luck, being in the right place at the right
> time. So, you are jealous that you did not have the initiative and luck
to
> start Microsoft?
>
> Let us take the case of that liberal billionaire from your part of the
> country. You know Bill. Started small and had the right concepts and
> products just as micro computers became available. He was in right place
> with good idea. Did he inherit the wealth of the company that he led?
>
> What happened during the inception and growth of Microsoft? He made lots
of
> money. But so did several dozen of those who started with him when it was
a
> very small operation. And how about all those poor workers who have been
> working for Microsoft for 30 years? Are those the poor you are talking
> about? Are they the increasing gap, they sure did not make as much money
as
> Bill did. You are right about that.
>
> Now compare the city of workers who collect the garbage in every city of
> USA. Are they the poor you are taking about? Do they have reasonable
> housing? How many have a car? Compare them with Obama’s brother in
Nairobi
> whose home is a mud hut with thatched roof. Which poor are you fussing
> about? Are you saying that you do not own an island in the south Pacific?
>
> You really expect that by giving all sorts of benefits to all that you
will
> really make the standard of living higher for all? The facts show that is
> not what happens. Have you ever studied any economics and how to
distinguish
> feudalism, tribal societies, socialism, and capitalism? Which of those
> economic systems created the most wealth and raised the overall standard
of
> living for the largest number? The truth is that it is not socialism,
> progressivism nor communism.
>
> As a teacher, you have a duty to understand the truth. Ask Brad for the
> titles of a couple of good books that explain what system of economics
> America was founded on. Go back and read the Federalist Papers and some
> biographies of those who wrote the U. S. Constitution. Understand and
> appreciate what they gave us.
>
> Without an understanding of what we have and what it accomplished, all the
> calls for change may simply destroy a system that was instrumental in
giving
> mankind the greatest advancement in standard of living ever. Calling for
a
> Marxist system is like putting a knife in the heart of Bill Gates and
others
> like him.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum: "Facts are stubborn things. Facts are used to sort out the
truth
> from fiction, to rise above bias and prejudice to reach a just
result.""Take
> inspiration from those people who risked all they had for the nation we
are
> blessed to call home today." Jeffery O. Bramlett
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > The economy - suffering from the real estate and mortgage silliness
> > but not a recession yet, exports saving the decline in GDP for now.
> >
> > War - Iraq winding down - the Iraqi's want us out (and we want out).
> > NATO petering out in Afghanistan (NATO petering out in Georgia), UN
> > non-existent, tough terrain, tough people, nuclear Pakistan. Tough
> > situation 7 years later. Radical Muslims still looking for a way to
> > kill us. The war goes on.
> >
> > Taxes - Tax revenue is up because of a cut in the capital gains tax
> > and increased investment in the economy.
> >
> > Between what rich and what poor are we talking about. The World? The
> > poor are gaining - did you watch the Olympics? US economy? We may be
> > the only nation on the planet where the poor owns a color TV,
> > air-conditioning, and two cars. And, they are fat.
> >
> > And how would you like to focus on these issues, especially the
> > economic ones? Trot out a few more failed economic theories or follow
> > China's path - ditch the Marxist bullshit and try a little old
> > fashioned capitalism?
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 8/31/08, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> Thanks Tootle,
> >> We both agree that there are a lot of people who
have
> >> made mistakes and have gone on to lead better lives, so lets focus on
> >> the
> >> actual issues, the economy, the war, taxes, the growing gap between
rich
> >> and
> >> poor. These are where we need to focus.
> >>
> >> Chris G
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:18 PM
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Captain Chris G.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Chris G said, "Boy I gotta agree, any of those cheating husbands and
> >> > philanderers should be barred from making speeches at the
convention.
> >> Of
> >> > course that would include John McCain after what he did to his wife
> >> and
> >> two
> >> > kids after he came back. Got a new undamaged model with lots of
money,
> >> > prenup or not. Does it matter? Careful there are lots of glass
> >> houses.
> >> > Should we bar those who have killed a person in a car accident that
> >> they
> >> > caused? Ok that keeps out Ted Kennedy, but also Laura Bush. Should
> >> we
> >> bar
> >> > someone who stole drugs (in one case from a non-profit set up to
help
> >> war
> >> > victims), and forged
> >> > prescriptions well I guess that would shut up Mrs. McCain and Rush
> >> Limbaugh.
> >> > Tootle, help me out, to be fair and balanced I need a drug thieving
> >> democrat
> >> > to balance this out. Oh I know Marion Berry should do."
> >> >
> >> > Responses as follows:
> >> >
> >> > As to John McCain - after how many years in a North Viet Nam
prison? -
> >> He
> >> > had adjustment problems when he came back. How much time did you
> >> spend in
> >> > the Hanoi Hilton? He later realized he screwed up and admits it.
Too
> >> late,
> >> > but after some time he came around and has since lead a better life,
> >> other
> >> > wise he would not be where he is.
> >> >
> >> > As to Ted Kennedy, I have always believed that he was drunk.
However,
> >> the
> >> > lady was in the back seat was in the same state. Alcohol
consumption
> >> is
> >> not
> >> > a legal excuse for killing another or is it Ben C?
> >> >
> >> > As to Laura Bush at 17, poor driving skills kill many teenagers. Is
> >> that
> >> > not the reason that age group has the highest insurance rates? Are
> >> you
> >> > telling us that your judgment and driving skills have not changed
> >> since
> >> you
> >> > were 17?
> >> >
> >> > As to drug addition and subsequently forging prescriptions, the
> >> medication
> >> > that Rush became addicted to was a problem that the drug company did
> >> not
> >> > correctly monitor and once the problem was known, physicians failed
to
> >> > follow up for addition. Initially the drug was proscribed
correctly,
> >> but
> >> > the prescribing doctor did not follow up making sure that no
addition
> >> > occurred.
> >> >
> >> > Once you are addicted, you the person is no longer in control. Have
> >> you
> >> > never dealt with alcoholics? If not, never ever again, give a
> >> recovered
> >> > alcoholic 100% trust.
> >> >
> >> > There is a big problem in America with prescription drugs. Often
> >> doctors
> >> > are getting kickbacks from the drug companies and so are more
willing
> >> to
> >> > prescribe feel good drugs when they should not. Yes this is partly
> >> the
> >> > patients fault for asking for such drugs, but again, once there is
> >> addition.
> >> >
> >> > The points that you raised are fair to raise and be addressed but
they
> >> are
> >> > distinguishable from a lawyer, who as part of bar qualifying has
> >> specific
> >> > ethics training from committing perjury. I have said that his
> >> philandering
> >> > is one thing, but his committing perjury is a whole different
matter.
> >> And
> >> > as Ben C said he was suspended for five years for doing it. The
> >> Arkansas
> >> > Bar said even a former President needed his ____ slapped for doing
it.
> >> >
> >> > So I have partially addressed your comments.
> >> >
> >> > Ed K
> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> > attachment:
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> >> > Chris+G%27s+Reasoning.jpg
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