[Rhodes22-list] Politics - The Chicago Way
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 2 12:49:25 EDT 2008
EXACTLY, and if the "We need change" folks on the left would remove
their "any Republican is a BAD Republican" blinders, they'd see that too.
I think it's almost funny to see folks say, on the one hand "We want
something DIFFERENT, we don't want a career politician, we want a REAL
person in the WH", then turn right around and say "But, she's got no
'experience', and she has family issues, and ... and ... and ..."
I believe everyone of those have been doing what their messiah has been
doing, spouting rhetoric with no real meaning.
If it sounds like I'm hyped about this choice, there's a reason! And, I
hope the dems on the left keep right on "not understanding".... at least
for a few more weeks.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Herb,
>
> McCain is just the catalyst in this race. Sarah is the Hope and
> Change and "what we've been waiting for". She has the potential to be
> the Teddy Roosevelt of the 21st Century and start her own Bull Moose
> Party (er, might have to work on a new name given her relationship
> with the moose). At any rate, she owes nothing to the GOP in Alaska.
> She got the GOP party chairman kicked off the Oil and Gas Commission
> and fined $12,000. They are not on speaking terms.
>
> You go girl!
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think the left, or even much of the press, understand that many
>> are exactly where you and I are. We were going to reluctantly vote for
>> McCain and whoever. Now we're going to enthusiastically vote for the
>> ticket, when in reality we're reluctantly voting for McCain, and very
>> enthusiastically voting for Palin.
>>
>> I'm still hoping McCain sees the light, pledges a single term
>> presidency, and seals the deal. Palin would be a draw now for what she
>> would be doing in 2012.
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> Here's another summation of your argument.
>>>
>>> "Palin really is what Obama pretends to be, but is not: a citizen
>>> activist who entered politics in order to fight entrenched interests
>>> and bring about tangible, practical change. The track record shows
>>> that Obama, far from being a "change agent," is a relentless careerist
>>> who has brought little, if any, major reform to Chicago; Springfield,
>>> Ill., or Washington."
>>>
>>> You can read the whole thing here-
>>>
>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0902/p09s02-coop.html
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Slim,
>>>>
>>>> The Obama campaign is being run "The Chicago Way" -- all elbows -- very
>>>> dirty -- accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing -- "Do onto
>>>> others before they do onto you."
>>>>
>>>> The democrats have latched onto the "George W. Bush of the Left". They
>>>> have decided to use the Lee Atwater playbook. The campaign slogan of
>>>> liberals seems to be "The End Justifies the Means".
>>>>
>>>> It's sad.
>>>>
>>>> Obama has absolutely zero political credentials. His campaign biography
>>>> is a complete fake. The white Chicago political machine has been using
>>>> him as a wedge in the black community since the Chicago Arab-American
>>>> community first latched onto him. He is under federal investigation for
>>>> bribery, corruption, extortion, and campaign fraud. He has taken every
>>>> side on every issue -- no one has the slightest idea where he stands on
>>>> any of the issues you raise.
>>>>
>>>> Obama's little girls can be used as campaign props, but they are
>>>> off-limits for anyone to raise as campaign issues. Not Sarah Palin's
>>>> though! We learn that her daughter is pregnant within days of her
>>>> addition to the Republican ticket. "Liberals" are saying she should
>>>> spend more time at home with her kids, so this kind of thing wouldn't
>>>> happen in the first place. "Keep 'em barefoot in the kitchen..."
>>>>
>>>> I've got lots of liberal friends saying the same kinds of things you are
>>>> saying. "Winning is everything." "Let's use the same tactics the
>>>> Republicans used." "What we need is another moron surrounded by
>>>> 'experienced advisors' who will make all the right decisions for him.
>>>> Hey! It worked just great for Bush and Cheney."
>>>>
>>>> And now that it's becoming increasingly clear that Obama is a crook, and
>>>> is likely to be indicted, we've got the "no big deal -- they're all
>>>> crooks" argument. Well, I don't believe that, and yes it does matter to
>>>> me. It matters a lot.
>>>>
>>>> It also matters to the constitution. The crimes Obama apparently
>>>> committed are an automatic bar to the Presidency. If elected he cannot
>>>> serve--these particular crimes (unlike blow jobs) are actually named in
>>>> the constitution as grounds for removal.
>>>>
>>>> Stop this Obama weeping and move on to what you know is right!
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>> Rummy's Bar and Grill Patron Since 1997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to ask you the same question. What's going on here? Do you really
>>>>> advocate electing a VP who has only been the mayor of a town of less than
>>>>> 9000 and a Gov. for two years? OK, so she was able to ruffle the feathers
>>>>> of some of the GOP. Is that why you're backing her? Is that where you're
>>>>> really hanging you hat? That's not the Bill I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made a mistake when I wrote that she's pro-choice. I was wrong. Bad
>>>>> information. Is pro-life what you're advocating? That's not the Bill I
>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> We know you're a disgruntled Hillary supporter and we know you think Obama's
>>>>> a crook re the campaign finances. So are you really jumping ship on that
>>>>> issue? That's not the Bill I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you forgotten that unemployment is at a high, poverty level is rising,
>>>>> people are without jobs, median income is down, no health care, the needless
>>>>> and costly war in Iraq, the depleting of SS, the vanishing pensions, the
>>>>> enormous debt? What do you want for Chrisssake? This is not the Bill I
>>>>> know!
>>>>>
>>>>> What has the war in Iraq done for us? Nothing, unless you're Haliburton.
>>>>> Follow the money!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's time you get over Hillary's loss and join the fray. OBAMA IN 08!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Change," "Hope," anything to elect a Democrat as the next President! I
>>>>> want something to be done!
>>>>>
>>>>> Health Care. Nay-sayers are quick to point out flaws in Canada, Norway or
>>>>> where ever. Why not assume we can do it better than any of those other
>>>>> countries. We're NOT Canada or Norway! Why shouldn't we show the world
>>>>> how it's done? Why couldn't we put together a system that beats all?
>>>>> THAT'S the American way of doing things!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The assistant minister to health care in Kazakhstan, Sheila O'Dougherty, who
>>>>> makes it her job to understand the health care systems of the world and also
>>>>> happens to be my cousin, says we already have the funds to do this if we
>>>>> decide to. It wouldn't necessarily demand extra taxes. Why are we fighting
>>>>> this? Because Republicans don't like the idea of "Socialized Medicine" even
>>>>> though all the world's greatest country's have adopted it. Why not do it
>>>>> and be the best at it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill, I'm sorry you think Barack's a crook. Maybe he is, but at least he's
>>>>> in good company. He's a politician after all. Campaign fiance faux
>>>>> pax--Stop the frickin' presses! Get over yourself and support the
>>>>> democrats! Stop this Hillary weeping and move on to what you know is right!
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised at the sexist comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's going on here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama has accomplished nothing and gone along with corrupt Cook County
>>>>>> Machine politics for his entire career. He has only won rigged
>>>>>> elections, and stood up to nobody. He started running for President 2
>>>>>> years after becoming a US Senator, and has taken all sides on every
>>>>>> position. He is young, charismatic, attractive, inexperienced..."A
>>>>>> Candidate Who Represents Change"...oh! and did I mention...he's a man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So along comes this woman who fought the good ol' boy network in her own
>>>>>> party and beat them. She taxed oil companies. Stood up to venerated
>>>>>> party leaders. Fought corruption and wasteful spending. She talks the
>>>>>> talk and walks the walk. She opposes abortion and had a Down Syndrome
>>>>>> child. She supports the military and one of her children is in Iraq.
>>>>>> She is young, charismatic, attractive, inexperienced..."A Candidate Who
>>>>>> Represents Change". She was Governor for 2 years before running for the
>>>>>> office of Vice President.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the "don't smear our boy" campaign immediately put out email all
>>>>>> over the internet smearing her as "poofy".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The good ol' boys running Obama's campaign have a long history of
>>>>>> smearing women. They smeared Hillary. They smeared Geraldine Ferraro.
>>>>>> Now they are smearing Palin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really surprised you passed this smear along. I know you better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think she's right about ANWR. Yep, that's me who said that. You know
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a liberal but I'm pulling for more domestic drilling. And you can
>>>>>>> definitely put me in the "all of the above" column.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BUT... let's say McCain dies and she's the pres. Do you think she's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to lock horns with the likes of Vlad "The Impaler" Putin? Kim Jong Il?
>>>>>>> Ahmadinnerjacket? So much for the argument over Obama's inexperience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want Barack to face off with those characters WAY more than Poofy Palin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> McCain is obviously playing to the upset Clinton supporters. She's
>>>>>>> pro-choice. She's a loose cannon among the GOP (Greed Over People) and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will not help him in his party. He's vying for the independents and the
>>>>>>> women but it won't work. He just sealed Obama's victory. Thank God he
>>>>>>> didn't pick Pawlenty which might have turned our blue state to red and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> left
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> us with Carol Molnau as our gov. Whew!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's your "lightweight" beauty queen "minority" pick on ANWR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836304396
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lot's of "big boys" didn't take the Guv serious and got their "clocks
>>>>>>>> cleaned".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
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