[Rhodes22-list] Politics - Sexism

Steven Alm stevenalm at gmail.com
Wed Sep 3 00:34:04 EDT 2008 

Herb,

First of all. I'd like to know what Self Funded Insurance is.  Never heard
of it.

Re unemployment / business;   we're talking about maybe a 5% spread here.  5
to 10% unemployed means 90 - 95% with jobs and money to spend.  Too much
unemployment  means less buyers and too low unemployment means higher
wages.  But it's a fine line to find the right balance.  It's right in that
5% spread where we've been for years.  That's capitalism at work.  Supply
and demand.

Slim

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:

> My suggestion is to do what my company does (I'm not the owner, but I am
> the boss, the owner is the only one above me) Go Self Funded Insurance.
>
> This IS what you said "
>
> "High unemployment keeps the wages and salaries down by keeping the pool of
> available workers up. This is good for business."
>
> If you really think high unemployment is "good for business", keep working
> as a teacher, don't send a resume our way, you don't understand business.
>
> People have to have money to buy.
>
> At least I acknowledged that I thought it was a "hint" at a conspiracy
> theory. I didn't realize you actually believed that high unemployment was
> "good for business." Silly me.
>
>
> To answer your question, because some of us don't want to pay for your
> health care program. We'd rather take care of our own.
>
> I disagree about your view that Republicans are "no friend" of the
> performing arts. I love the performing arts. If a guy's good, I'll pay to go
> see him (have, and will continue to do so). If he's not, I don't want to
> have to pay for him. It's pretty simple. Most Republicans I know are avid
> supporters of voucher systems, you know, systems where teachers that are
> good become in demand, and thus get higher wages. Sorry you and I don't see
> eye to eye, but I'm a Republican, and you have no idea what I'm "friends"
> with.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
> > Brad,
> >
> > Now you are the one who's sounding silly.  Just because you've been to
> China
> > and married a Chinese woman doesn't mean you speak for the entire
> population
> > of China AND India.  Wow!
> > Who said capitalism is going away?  Did anybody say that?  Make no
> mistake,
> > I'm a capitalist too.  Never said I wasn't.  And BTW you're the one who's
> a
> > member of a labor union--not me.
> >
> > Herb,
> >
> > You're ridiculous mocking of my comment on business is way off.  I've
> said
> > nothing about any conspiracies nor do I espouse to any of that nonsense.
> > Make no mistake, I'm a businessman too.  Never said I wasn't.  I'm
> > self-employed and if you had to pay as much as I do for single-payer
> health
> > insurance, you'd vote for reform on that issue too.
> >
> > I stopped voting for what I think is the best for our country long ago.
>  Now
> > I vote for what's best for my household.  My wife and I are both teachers
> > and both in the performing arts.  The Republicans have shown over and
> over
> > they are no friends of either.
> >
> > As I've asked before, why can't I have lower taxes AND a workable health
> > care program?  Why can't I have more domestic oil AND a solid
> > environmental-friendly policy?  Why can't we pull our best out of Iraq
> AND
> > send them to Afghanistan?   Why can't we have more police on the streets
> AND
> > not have them caving in doors of "suspected" rabble-rousers like they did
> in
> > Minneapolis and St. Paul last week?  Why can't I have a democratic
> election
> > in my country AND not have them spend gazillions to do it?  Can Obama
> answer
> > these questions?  No.  Can McCain?  No.  Ron Paul?  Whatever.  Is it any
> > wonder why I'm cynical?
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I really like the anti-business hint at big conspiracies.
> >>
> >> See Big Bidness LIKES it when unemployment is high. That way, they get
> >> folks CHEAP to make products that they can sell to um ... oh... yeah.
> >> dat's right, not many people working, so no one's buying. Hang on, I
> >> took notes. Let me get back to you in a bit...
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Slim,
> >>>
> >>> You miss the obvious.  Your boy O declined public financing because he
> >>> was beating the competition 3 to 1 in fund raising.  That's all well
> >>> and good but we've all seen his face, we've heard his message, and no
> >>> matter how many times you repeat it, we've all seen the success of
> >>> Stalin, Mao,  and other Marxist ideologues, and we're not impressed.
> >>>
> >>> I can't find the bulls eye of unemployment  of the gnats ass under a
> >>> microscope in Minnesota, but I have a rough idea where it is in
> >>> Tennessee.  My employer pays good wages for part time employees,
> >>> offers full-time health benefits including health care, and college
> >>> tuition re-reimbursements.  We also have a lottery here, what I call
> >>> the "stupid tax" and the Hope Challenge college fund is over funded
> >>> because there aren't enough students who can maintain a 2.75 grade
> >>> point average in college to qualify.  What next?  Fog a mirror and
> >>> show a pulse and you get a free feed bag for life?
> >>>
> >>> Steve, welcome to the 21st century.  There's 1.3 billion Chinese and a
> >>> billion Indians behind them who don't give a shit about your theories
> >>> about who's ox got gored by whom.
> >>>
> >>> I can only speak for about 3 billion people, they like capitalism and
> >>> recognize that it is in the best interest of their children.  Michelle
> >>> O may have a different observation.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Brad, Herb, Rik, et al,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm so glad you're happy.  I wouldn't want you to have to drag
> >>>>
> >> yourselves to
> >>
> >>>> the polls and vote for the least of two ills...um, like we all do
> every
> >>>> time.  But just remember, the presidency is something you buy and the
> >>>>
> >> one
> >>
> >>>> with the most $ usually wins.  I did see that McCain raised... what
> was
> >>>>
> >> it?
> >>
> >>>> ...6 million in the few hours after he announced his VP pick.  That's
> >>>>
> >> pretty
> >>
> >>>> impressive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Re unemployment, according to last week's Strib, it has indeed spiked
> in
> >>>>
> >> MN
> >>
> >>>> from about 8% to almost 10% but we're still lower than the natl
> average
> >>>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>> around 12%.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.startribune.com/local/27511554.html?elr=KArksUUUU
> >>>>
> >>>> No, it's not an all time high (The Great Depression) but it's gone up
> >>>> steadily during the Bush/Pawlenty years.   We (in MN) were down at
> about
> >>>> 2-3% range with Billy Boy.  This is no surprise.  High unemployment
> >>>>
> >> keeps
> >>
> >>>> the wages and salaries down by keeping the pool of available workers
> up.
> >>>> This is good for business.
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Brad,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "You are watching history in the making.  A lot of folks like me
> were
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> planning on dragging themselves to the polls to vote against Obama
> >>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>>> for McCain only by default.  Now we have something to be excited
> >>>>>>> about.  You may not understand it but the movement is real.  You go
> >>>>>>> girl!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> That is almost exactly what I was just saying to another liberal on
> >>>>> another board yesterday. I agree .... Go Sarah!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim, TANFL, you guys need to get used to that idea. AND, this
> economy
> >>>>> has a ways to go down before it starts getting better. Get outa'
> debt!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rik
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You said it ALL right here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are watching history in the making.  A lot of folks like me
> were
> >>>>>>> planning on dragging themselves to the polls to vote against Obama
> >>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>>> for McCain only by default.  Now we have something to be excited
> >>>>>>> about.  You may not understand it but the movement is real.  You go
> >>>>>>> girl!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> And the funny thing is, the left is busy telling the right what a
> >>>>>>
> >> lousy
> >>
> >>>>>> choice she was, and that the right's not going to like her. They
> must
> >>>>>> think they're talking to the press.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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