[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

[KUHN, LELAND]

Todd,

Here's the best article I've seen on natural selection:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0411/feature1/index.html

Evolution is truly only a theory, but as this article points out, there
is far more evidence supporting evolution than there is supporting most
theories, including the theory of electricity.  

I have a strong belief in God and Jesus Christ, but my belief is based
on faith, not fact.  Anyone can believe anything and justify it in the
name of religion, whether it's right or wrong or true or false.

"There are equally as many
scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth."
This is truly false. :)

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Tavares [mailto:sprocket80 at mail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going to
save us from the Republicans

Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a Marxist
or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist? :^D
Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by many
scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am far from
being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
surely
proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were an
educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were. 
Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all stomach
creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth. It
was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could further explain
a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."  I like
how
one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural
creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with
only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God.
I
will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in
God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
scientifically
impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."

(Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)

But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
evolution was not workable.

"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
origin of species by means of natural selection")

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could
not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles Darwin,
"The Origin of Species")

"Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
whether
I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life and
Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)

I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but that
is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
other
Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is ok
to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
this
gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory of
creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
as
a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside. 

Todd T

Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
apes.
We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to feel
inferior. 


   ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Alm"
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to
save us from the Republicans
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500


"Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."

Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin is
obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran
but
here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
and
deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and earth
are
only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist, did
you?

Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners should
pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the world,
folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.

I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.

Slim

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:

> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
her
> personal beliefs from her duties."
>
> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>
>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs.
>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
her
>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>
>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>> SOMETHING on her.
>>
>> Steven Alm wrote:
>> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
for
>> me.
>> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>> >
>> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
of
the
>> > supreme court.
>> > The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
her
>> way,
>> > say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>> abortions.
>> >
>> > Slim
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
running
>> >> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
touted as
>> >> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
something
>> that
>> >> works.
>> >>
>> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>> >> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>> >>
>> >> petelargo wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>> dialogue
>> >>>
>> >> with
>> >>
>> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
your
>> an
>> >>> idiot to boot.
>> >>>
>> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas. At
the
>> >>>
>> >> RNC,
>> >>
>> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
failed
>> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
trying
>> to
>> >>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>> >>>
>> >> discussion.
>> >>
>> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is now
the
>> >>>
>> >> change
>> >>
>> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
in
>> >>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
whole
>> >>>
>> >> new
>> >>
>> >>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
last
>> eight
>> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
against.
>> >>>
>> >>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>> Obama.
>> >>>
>> >> It's
>> >>
>> >>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>> administration
>> >>>
>> >> in
>> >>
>> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior "executive
>> >>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
Republicans
>> had
>> >>>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
for
>> you?
>> >>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
they
>> >>>
>> >> start
>> >>
>> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone too
far.
>> >>>
>> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
twisting
>> >>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
us,
>> the
>> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
the
>> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
kook
>> to
>> >>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>> 'bridge'
>> >>> them into this administration and get money.
>> >>>
>> >>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing chinese
ass
>> >>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
on
>> the
>> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>> >>>
>> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
actually
>> >>>
>> >> think
>> >>
>> >>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
The
>> two
>> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
government
>> >>>
>> >> intrusion
>> >>
>> >>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
that
>> talk
>> >>>
>> >> in
>> >>
>> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
surplus.
>> He
>> >>>
>> >> blew
>> >>
>> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>> greater
>> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
with or
>> >>>
>> >> put
>> >>
>> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions, but
she
>> >>>
>> >> wants
>> >>
>> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
join
the
>> >>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>> >>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
spread
>> out
>> >>>> among more than one target.
>> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>> "illegitimi
>> >>>> non carborundum".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
about
>> >>>>
>> >> Obama
>> >>
>> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
farm
>> >>>>
>> >> animal.
>> >>
>> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
his
>> >>>>
>> >> fellow
>> >>
>> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>> >>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
don't
>> >>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>> interesting
>> >>>> place.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
First,
>> he
>> >>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
is
>> >>>>
>> >> several
>> >>
>> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>> >>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
Obama
>> >>>>
>> >> were
>> >>
>> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>> >>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
are
>> >>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
that
>> >>>>
>> >> reason.
>> >>
>> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>> support
>> >>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
point
>> out
>> >>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
sure
>> is
>> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I have
>> thought
>> >>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
completely
>> >>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
mantra
>> I
>> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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