[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Todd Tavares sprocket80 at mail.com
Tue Sep 9 12:11:02 EDT 2008


Mike,  For the definition of a half vote look up "hanging chad". Todd T

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Michael D. Weisner"
  To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
  going to save us from the Republicans
  Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:56:43 -0400


  Herb,

  Half votes? Next you will explain that you're going for the "wild
  card"
  slot.

  Mike
  s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
  Nissequogue River, NY

  From: "Herb Parsons" Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
  2008 3:11 AM
  > Great news. I got a dem to abstain. That's as good as half a vote.
  We'll
  > get this thing locked down yet!
  >
  > Steven Alm wrote:
  >> Herb,
  >>
  >> Yep, I think he's a kook too.
  >>
  >> I might actually refuse to vote this time because there are no
  candidates
  >> who represent me. I'm sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.
  >>
  >> Slim
  >>
  >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >>> Gee Steve, looks like your choices are going to be a bit slim.
  >>>
  >>> Biden's a practicing Roman Catholic. When asked about abortion,
  he said
  >>> it's a personal matter, but for him, he accepts the teachings of
  his
  >>> church. That he "accepts as a matter of faith that life begins at
  >>> conception". In other words, he should be equally disqualified as
  Palin,
  >>> since he would have to put aside his personal beliefs.
  >>>
  >>> Some of the beliefs that the Roman Catholic Church practices,
  teachings
  >>> which Biden said he accepts are:
  >>>
  >>> That God is the creator of everything, "of all that is seen and
  unseen".
  >>>
  >>> They believe in transubstantiation , that the
  >>> communion bread and wine is miraculously converted, upon
  consecration by
  >>> the priest, into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ.
  >>>
  >>> They believe in Apostolic Succession, meaning that the priests
  are
  >>> descendants of the original 12 apostles. This descendancy can be
  >>> obtained by the sacrament of ordination by an ordained bishop.
  >>>
  >>> I could go on, but I think even you get the point, besides, I
  would have
  >>> to go get my catechism books to remember it all.
  >>>
  >>> So Steve, does the above mean that Biden is a a "religious kook",
  and
  >>> that you cannot vote for him, or is HIS "kookiness" covered by a
  >>> hypocritical covering that he leans left?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Steven Alm wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> Todd,
  >>>>
  >>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
  right, I
  >>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very
  much (and
  >>>>
  >>> I
  >>>
  >>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
  only
  >>>>
  >>> rebuke
  >>>
  >>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal
  life on
  >>>>
  >>> this
  >>>
  >>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
  >>>>
  >>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
  started. Are
  >>>>
  >>> you
  >>>
  >>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions
  serve in
  >>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we
  live and
  >>>>
  >>> what
  >>>
  >>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my
  own
  >>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
  >>>>
  >>>> Slim
  >>>>
  >>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
  >>>>
  >>> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>>
  >>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
  Marxist
  >>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
  extremist? :^D
  >>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by
  many
  >>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far
  from
  >>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
  only a
  >>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
  scientific
  >>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
  truth,
  >>>>>
  >>> surely
  >>>
  >>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were
  an
  >>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
  all were.
  >>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
  truth.
  >>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
  stomach
  >>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
  what
  >>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
  many
  >>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is
  myth. It
  >>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
  explain
  >>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
  everything
  >>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
  that first
  >>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I
  like
  >>>>>
  >>> how
  >>>
  >>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
  >>>>>
  >>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
  >>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
  supernatural
  >>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
  >>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
  scientifically
  >>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
  leaves us with
  >>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act
  of God.
  >>>>>
  >>> I
  >>>
  >>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
  believe in
  >>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
  >>>>>
  >>> scientifically
  >>>
  >>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
  >>>>>
  >>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology
  at the
  >>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
  >>>>>
  >>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
  realized
  >>>>> evolution was not workable.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances
  for
  >>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
  different
  >>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
  chromatic
  >>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
  freely
  >>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
  Darwin, "The
  >>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
  >>>>>
  >>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
  which could
  >>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
  >>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
  Darwin,
  >>>>> "The Origin of Species")
  >>>>>
  >>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
  myself
  >>>>>
  >>> whether
  >>>
  >>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin,
  Life and
  >>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
  >>>>>
  >>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
  scientists to
  >>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do
  my
  >>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings,
  but that
  >>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or
  some
  >>>>>
  >>> other
  >>>
  >>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that
  it is ok
  >>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools
  teach
  >>>>>
  >>> this
  >>>
  >>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
  theory of
  >>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to
  kill a
  >>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
  believing in
  >>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me
  see this
  >>>>>
  >>> as
  >>>
  >>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Todd T
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected")
  from
  >>>>>
  >>> apes.
  >>>
  >>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made
  to feel
  >>>>> inferior.
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
  >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
  >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are
  going to
  >>>>> save us from the Republicans
  >>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
  beliefs."
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.
  Palin is
  >>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
  Lutheran
  >>>>> but
  >>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
  community
  >>>>>
  >>> and
  >>>
  >>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens
  and earth
  >>>>> are
  >>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
  extremist, did
  >>>>> you?
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
  parishioners should
  >>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of
  the world,
  >>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Slim
  >>>>>
  >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
  separating her
  >>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>
  >>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
  beliefs.
  >>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
  separating her
  >>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
  would have
  >>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make
  up)
  >>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
  breaker for
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> me.
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
  appointment of
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>> the
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>> supreme court.
  >>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
  Sarabaracuda has
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>> her
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> way,
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
  hanger
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> abortions.
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> Slim
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> wrote:
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered
  as a
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> running
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
  being
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> touted as
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
  something
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> that
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> works.
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
  that's she
  >>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there
  is no
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> dialogue
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> with
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
  discussion and
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> your
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> an
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
  overseas. At
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> the
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> RNC,
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
  it's a
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> failed
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they
  are
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> trying
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> to
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
  issues
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> discussion.
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain
  is now
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> the
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> change
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
  corruption in
  >>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
  re-defined a
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> whole
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> new
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within
  the
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> last
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> eight
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and
  now
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> against.
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
  Palin vs
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> Obama.
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> It's
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
  >>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> administration
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> in
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
  "executive
  >>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
  Republicans
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> had
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> the
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How
  was it
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> for
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> you?
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
  but when
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> they
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> start
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
  gone too
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> far.
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
  twisting
  >>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
  attack
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> us,
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> the
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
  shredding of the
  >>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
  religious
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> kook
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> to
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
  right to
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> 'bridge'
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
  chinese
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> ass
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
  government
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> on
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> the
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
  extremists
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> actually
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> think
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
  conservatism?
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> The
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> two
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
  government
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> intrusion
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
  walked
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> that
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> talk
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> in
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
  dollar
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> surplus.
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> He
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> blew
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there
  is no
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> greater
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
  cannot do
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> with or
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> put
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
  decisions, but
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> she
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> wants
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
  thanks.
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up
  to join
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> the
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
  >>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire
  is
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> spread
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> out
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
  >>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
  Stillwell,
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> "illegitimi
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
  posted
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> about
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> Obama
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
  >>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist,
  or a
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> farm
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> animal.
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
  >>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
  some of
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> his
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> fellow
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
  McCain
  >>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
  policy and
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> don't
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be
  an
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> interesting
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> place.
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
  grounds.
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> First,
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> he
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
  >>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
  Tootle did is
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> several
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
  >>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
  support
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> Obama
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> were
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
  >>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
  Herb, you
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> are
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part
  for that
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>> reason.
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so
  I will
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> support
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole
  to point
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> out
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
  know for
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> sure
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> is
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it.
  I have
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>> thought
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and
  am
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> completely
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
  repeated
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>> mantra
  >>>>>
  >>>>>
  >>>>>>> I
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  >>>>>>>>>>>
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