[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 15:30:43 EDT 2008
That would certainly be a qualification as a legislator, but not as an
executive.
Steven Alm wrote:
> OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law. That's nothing to sneeze at.
> Palin doesn't even have a Masters. Or is that just elitist.
>
> Slim
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Stan,
>>
>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>> Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman. When
>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>> life!" No, no one gave a shit. The current conversation is much to
>> do about nothing. Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>> treatment?" Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>> Something, anything!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>
>> plan
>>
>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would be
>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability to
>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive them
>>>
>> -
>>
>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>
>> address.
>>
>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could be
>>>
>> our
>>
>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding desire
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the table and
>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion and
>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does not
>>>
>> start
>>
>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>
>> start,
>>
>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing. Personally
>>>
>> I
>>
>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to call
>>>
>> such
>>
>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys insisted
>>>
>> on
>>
>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>>
>> first
>>
>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of her
>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god onto
>>>
>> our
>>
>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>
>> eventually,
>>
>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>
>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert to
>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will give us
>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed womanizer.)
>>>
>>> stan/ec
>>> .
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Todd,
>>>>
>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're right,
>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>
>> (and
>>
>>>> I
>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>
>> rebuke
>>
>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
>>>> this
>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>
>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started. Are
>>>>
>> you
>>
>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions serve in
>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live and
>>>> what
>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a Marxist
>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist? :^D
>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far from
>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>
>> surely
>>
>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all were.
>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all stomach
>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth. It
>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>
>> explain
>>
>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I like
>>>>>
>> how
>>
>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>
>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>
>> supernatural
>>
>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God.
>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>
>> scientifically
>>
>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>
>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>
>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>
>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>
>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could
>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>
>> Darwin,
>>
>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>
>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>
>> whether
>>
>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life and
>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>
>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists to
>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but that
>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>
>> other
>>
>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
>>>>>
>> ok
>>
>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory of
>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>
>> apes.
>>
>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to feel
>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going to
>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious beliefs."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin is
>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a Lutheran
>>>>> but
>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>
>> earth
>>
>>>>> are
>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>
>> did
>>
>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>
>> should
>>
>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>
>> world,
>>
>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>
>> her
>>
>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>
>> beliefs.
>>
>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>
>> her
>>
>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would have
>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>>>>>>>
>> for
>>
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
>>>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>>
>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> running
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> touted as
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>
>> something
>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's she
>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is no
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>> At
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> failed
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> trying
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an issues
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>
>> now
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
>>>>>>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> whole
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> last
>>>>>
>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> against.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin vs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>
>> "executive
>>
>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>
>> Republicans
>>
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but when
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>
>> too
>>
>>>>> far.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>
>> twisting
>>
>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not attack
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> us,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>>>>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another religious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> kook
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>
>> chinese
>>
>>>>> ass
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive government
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> actually
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>>
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>
>> government
>>
>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is no
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> with or
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>
>> but
>>
>>>>> she
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> join
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> spread
>>>>>
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> farm
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> his
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> First,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people support
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Obama
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb, you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> point
>>
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> sure
>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> completely
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> mantra
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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