[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us fr...
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 15:33:39 EDT 2008
I think that you, like much of the left, but too much stock in public
speaking ability. Moses was a stutterer, and he led quite well.
PS - I knew you were a powerboater!!
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Brad,
> At the risk of being trounced, have you listened to our president speak? The
> man has a difficult time thinking and speaking, all at the same time, let
> alone chewing gum while doing the previous mentioned tasks. IF he is an
> intelligent human being, he sure doesn't come across that way to many people. I am
> now ducking for cover and going for a SeaDoo ride. Later.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/9/2008 3:12:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>
> Slim,
>
> You friggin-A-right that is elitist! I've listened to that shit all
> my life and including you. You've run your mouth off about how stupid
> Bush 43 is when in fact he made better grades than Kerry at Yale.
> Education doesn't mean shit! I've met construction workers in "the
> pit" who were smarter than all four running for POTUS. You are the
> elitist, Sir!
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law. That's nothing to sneeze at.
>> Palin doesn't even have a Masters. Or is that just elitist.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Stan,
>>>
>>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>>> Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman. When
>>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>>> life!" No, no one gave a shit. The current conversation is much to
>>> do about nothing. Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>>> treatment?" Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>>> Something, anything!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>> > Slim,
>>>
>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>>
>>> plan
>>>
>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>
>>> > instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would
>>>
> be
>
>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>>
> them
>
>>> -
>>>
>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>
>>> address.
>>>
>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could be
>>>>
>>> our
>>>
>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding desire
>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the table and
>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion and
>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does not
>>>>
>>> start
>>>
>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>>
>>> start,
>>>
>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>
> Personally
>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to call
>>>>
>>> such
>>>
>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys insisted
>>>>
>>> on
>>> > avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>> first
>>>
>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of her
>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god onto
>>>>
>>> our
>>>
>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>
>>> eventually,
>>>
>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>
>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>>
> us
>
>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed womanizer.)
>>>>
>>>> stan/ec
>>>>
>>> > .
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>
>>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
>>>>>
> right,
>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>
>>> (and
>>> >> I
>>>
>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>
>>> rebuke
>>>
>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal life on
>>>>> this
>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> >> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started. Are
>>> you
>>>
>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>>
> in
>
>>> >> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live and
>>>
>>>>> what
>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>>>
>>> >> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>
> Marxist
>
>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>
> :^D
>
>>> >>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>
>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far from
>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much scientific
>>>>>>
>>> >>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>> surely
>>>
>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were an
>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>
> were.
>
>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it truth.
>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>
> stomach
>
>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>>
> It
>
>>> >>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>> explain
>>>
>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that first
>>>>>>
>>> >>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I like
>>> how
>>>
>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>
>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>
>>> supernatural
>>>
>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>
> God.
>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
>>>>>>
>>> in
>>> >>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>> scientifically
>>>
>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>
>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>>
>>> >>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>
>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin, "The
>>>>>>
>>> >>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>
> could
>
>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>>
>>> Darwin,
>>>
>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>
>>> whether
>>>
>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>
>>> other
>>>
>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
>>>>>>
>>> ok
>>>
>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
>>>>>>
> of
>
>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill a
>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see this
>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> Todd T
>>>
>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>
>>> apes.
>>>
>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>>
> feel
>
>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
>>>
> to
>
>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>
>>> >>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>
> beliefs."
>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>
> Lutheran
>
>>> >>> but
>>>
>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>
>>> earth
>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>>
>>> did
>>>
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>> should
>>>
>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>
>>> world,
>>>
>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> Slim
>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>
>>> her
>>>
>>>>>> > personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> >>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>>
>>> her
>>>
>>>>>> >> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would
>>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> SOMETHING on her.
>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>> for
>>>
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>
>>>>>> >> > The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>
> appointment
>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> > supreme court.
>>>
>>>>>>>> > The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>
> has
>
>>>>>> her
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > Slim
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> touted as
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> something
>>> >>> >> that
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's
>>>>>>
> she
>
>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is
>>>>>>
> no
>
>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion
>>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
>>>>>>>>
>>> At
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>
> issues
>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>> now
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>
> corruption
>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has re-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>
> a
>
>>> >>> whole
>>>
>>> >>> >> >> new
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>> >>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>
> vs
>
>>>>>> >> Obama.
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >> It's
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove, etc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>
>>> "executive
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Republicans
>>>
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was
>>>>>>
> it
>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>
> when
>
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> start
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>> too
>>>
>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>
>>> twisting
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>
> attack
>
>>> >>> us,
>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>
> religious
>
>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> chinese
>>> >>> ass
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>
> government
>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>
> conservatism?
>
>>> >>> The
>>>
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>> government
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that walked
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> that
>>>
>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> blew
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is
>>>
> no
>
>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot do
>>>
>>>>>> with or
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>>>> she
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>
> thanks.
>
>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> join
>>> >>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> spread
>>>
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> among more than one target.
>>> >>> >> >>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>
>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I posted
>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or a
>>>
>>>>>> farm
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some
>>>
> of
>
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >> fellow
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or McCain
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> don't
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> interesting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several grounds.
>>>
>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> he
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle
>>>>>>>>
> did
>
>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> support
>
>>> >>> Obama
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> you
>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> >> reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I
>>>
> will
>
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> point
>>> >>> >> out
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> sure
>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft' repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> >>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>> >> >>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>
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