[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 15:43:12 EDT 2008


Slim's a better musician than Elvis.

Elvis is dead.

Supposedly.


Brad Haslett wrote:
> Slim,
>
> I beg to differ.  You have an extensive education in music and I've
> seen your act.  You're a damn good musician.  Elvis couldn't read
> music and never so much as attended junior college. Who is the better
> musician? I'd vote you but Elvis sold more records.  Education (if you
> can afford it) is an obligation, not a privilege. No one owes you a
> living just because you have an education.  The concept of Adam
> Smith's "invisible hand" was that you had a marketable skill or
> fulfilled a need in the marketplace.  If you are nothing but another
> body who can "fog a mirror and show a temp" then life owes you
> nothing. If choosing the POTUS is all about education then lets do
> away with the voting bullshit and just let the tenured professors pick
> among themselves.
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Brad,
>>
>> You took the bait hook, line and sinker.  You asked for something he
>> accomplished and Harvard Law is certainly one.  If education don't mean shit
>> then why is there such a difference in wages of high school drop outs vs.
>> grads vs. BS vs. masters vs. PhD, etc?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> You friggin-A-right that is elitist!  I've listened to that shit all
>>> my life and including you.  You've run your mouth off about how stupid
>>> Bush 43 is when in fact he made better grades than Kerry at Yale.
>>> Education doesn't mean shit!  I've met construction workers in "the
>>> pit" who were smarter than all four running for POTUS.  You are the
>>> elitist, Sir!
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> OK, Brad, for one thing he's Harvard Law.  That's nothing to sneeze at.
>>>> Palin doesn't even have a Masters.  Or is that just elitist.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the jargon of fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>>>> So I pick you as the target among the many threads to begin the fight.
>>>>>  Who is the most devoutly religious person currently elected to
>>>>> office? I don't know either but I'm guessing Senator Lieberman.  When
>>>>> he was the VP candidate with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>>>> refrain of: "If Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>>>> big 'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches for
>>>>> life!"  No, no one gave a shit.  The current conversation is much to
>>>>> do about nothing.  Let's get back to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>>>> at any point in his life but complain about his or someone else's
>>>>> treatment?"  Short of running for something, what has he accomplished?
>>>>>  Something, anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>>>>             
>>>>> plan
>>>>>           
>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I would
>>>>>>             
>>> be
>>>       
>>>>>> truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's inability
>>>>>>             
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>>>>             
>>> them
>>>       
>>>>> -
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>>>             
>>>>> address.
>>>>>           
>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could
>>>>>>             
>>> be
>>>       
>>>>> our
>>>>>           
>>>>>> leader without notice.  Then where would this country's founding
>>>>>>             
>>> desire
>>>       
>>>>> for
>>>>>           
>>>>>> religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the table
>>>>>>             
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious opinion
>>>>>>             
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>> should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life does not
>>>>>>             
>>>>> start
>>>>>           
>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before the
>>>>>>             
>>>>> start,
>>>>>           
>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>             
>>>  Personally
>>>       
>>>>> I
>>>>>           
>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin to
>>>>>>             
>>> call
>>>       
>>>>> such
>>>>>           
>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>             
>>> insisted
>>>       
>>>>> on
>>>>>           
>>>>>> avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way the
>>>>>>             
>>>>> first
>>>>>           
>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of
>>>>>>             
>>> her
>>>       
>>>>>> kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god
>>>>>>             
>>> onto
>>>       
>>>>> our
>>>>>           
>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>             
>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>           
>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert
>>>>>>             
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>>>>             
>>> us
>>>       
>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>             
>>> womanizer.)
>>>       
>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>  .
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
>>>>>>             
>>> going
>>>       
>>>>> to
>>>>>           
>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're
>>>>>>>               
>>> right,
>>>       
>>>>> I
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> (and
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal life
>>>>>>>               
>>> on
>>>       
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.
>>>>>>>               
>>>  Are
>>>       
>>>>> you
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>>>>               
>>> in
>>>       
>>>>>>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we live
>>>>>>>               
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to my own
>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> Marxist
>>>       
>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> :^D
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am far
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> from
>>>       
>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only a
>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> scientific
>>>       
>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> surely
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You are/were an
>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> were.
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> truth.
>>>       
>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> stomach
>>>       
>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> It
>>>       
>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could further
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> explain
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and everything
>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> first
>>>       
>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."  I
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> like
>>>       
>>>>> how
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> with
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> God.
>>>       
>>>>> I
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> believe
>>>       
>>>>> in
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the
>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself realized
>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for
>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> "The
>>>       
>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> could
>>>       
>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> whether
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> that
>>>       
>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> other
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> is
>>>       
>>>>> ok
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> this
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the theory
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> of
>>>       
>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to kill
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> a
>>>       
>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> in
>>>       
>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> this
>>>       
>>>>> as
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> apes.
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made to
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> feel
>>>       
>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are going
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> beliefs."
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> is
>>>       
>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> Lutheran
>>>       
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> community
>>>       
>>>>> and
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> earth
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> did
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> should
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> world,
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> separating
>>>       
>>>>> her
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> separating
>>>       
>>>>> her
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> have
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make up)
>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> breaker
>>>       
>>>>> for
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> appointment
>>>       
>>>>> of
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> has
>>>       
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>> something
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> she
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> no
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> overseas.
>>>       
>>>>> At
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> are
>>>       
>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> issues
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> now
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> corruption
>>>       
>>>>> in
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> re-defined a
>>>       
>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> the
>>>       
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> vs
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> etc
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> "executive
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> it
>>>       
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> when
>>>       
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> too
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> twisting
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> attack
>>>       
>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> of
>>>       
>>>>> the
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> religious
>>>       
>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> chinese
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> government
>>>       
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> conservatism?
>>>       
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> government
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> walked
>>>       
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> no
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> do
>>>       
>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>> but
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>> thanks.
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>> join
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> posted
>>>       
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> a
>>>       
>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> of
>>>       
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> McCain
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> grounds.
>>>       
>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> did
>>>       
>>>>> is
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> support
>>>       
>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> you
>>>       
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>> that
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> will
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>> point
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> for
>>>       
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>> have
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>> repeated
>>>       
>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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