[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Lowe, Rob
rlowe at vt.edu
Tue Sep 9 16:13:00 EDT 2008
Herb,
OK, human as opposed to something else, I guess I can buy that.
As you suggest, is this "life" is not so easy. It's is certainly
living, but not viable. For a person in a coma, I totally disagree that
society must make that decision. I believe it's the family's decision.
Society (aka Government) has no business in it. And in keeping with
that belief, I believe it's the mother's decision in the case of a
pregnancy. It's about personal rights. If one believes abortion is
wrong, that's great, don't have one. But leave me and those that
believe differently to our own personal beliefs.
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going
to save us from the Republicans
So, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
Now, as to whether or not it's life, I can accept that the can be room
for argument there; however, there science and religion tend to blur. We
have lots of things we call life, which may or may not be so - is a
person in a coma with no ability to respond and no hope for recover
"living"? In cases like that, society must make a decision. And, no
matter how you want to frame it, it's really not a religious decision. A
person's view may be influenced by religion, but that doesn't make it a
religious view.
A good example is that I don't believe it's right for me to take what is
yours. That belief is heavily influenced by my religion, but that
doesn't make it a religious belief.
Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Ah, but that's where the disagreement lies. You say it's a human at
> that point, I say it is not. So you say it's killing. I say it's
not.
> And whether it's a human or not is a matter of belief, which leads us
> back to religion.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:42 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
going
> to save us from the Republicans
>
> Pete, sorry buddy, but as long as someone is killing another human,
it's
>
> EVERYONE's business.
>
>
> petelargo wrote:
>
>> It sure sounds like a 'I want the government out of our lives except
>>
> for my
>
>> religious beliefs' conservative.
>> If it's your belief that a woman is killing another human being, then
>>
> in the
>
>> privacy of your family exercise your belief and don't do it, and
leave
>>
> the
>
>> government and the rest of us out of it.
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious
belifs
>>>
>
>
>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be
>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious beliefs,
>>>
> not
>
>>> those of that living human.
>>>
>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>
>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also
>>>>
> include
>
>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on a
>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
>>>>
> place to
>
>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in
this
>>>>
> at
>
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Rik
>>>>
>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your
>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>>>>>
> government
>
>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male
>>>>>
> could be
>
>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does
>>>>>
> not
>
>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word, sounds
>>>>>>
> good)
>
>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>
> shown
>
>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her
>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am I,
>>>>>>
> for
>
>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on
the
>>>>>>
> idea
>
>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>
> should
>
>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie,
>>>>>>
> mind
>
>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing
>>>>>>
> this
>
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
>>>>>>
> abortion at
>
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>>>>>>>
> Palin
>
>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is
>>>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the
standard.
>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath,
>>>>>>>
> thus
>
>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>>>>>>>
> beliefs on
>
>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at
>>>>>>>
> any
>
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>
> really
>
>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
>>>>>>>>
> religious
>
>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood)
I
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>
> forgive
>
>>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden
>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp
>>>>>>>>
> could
>
>>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's
founding
>>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>
> table
>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious
>>>>>>>>
> opinion
>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life
>>>>>>>>
> does not
>
>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
>>>>>>>>
> before the
>
>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin
>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>> call such
>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his
>>>>>>>>
> way the
>
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
>>>>>>>>
> list of
>
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>>>>>>>>
> god
>
>>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
>>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful
will
>>>>>>>>
> give
>
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists"
>>>>>>>>
> are
>
>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And
>>>>>>>>>
> you're
>
>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin
very
>>>>>>>>>
> much
>
>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
>>>>>>>>>
> only
>
>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal
>>>>>>>>>
> life
>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent
>>>>>>>>>
> design."
>
>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>>>>>>>>>
> started.
>
>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all
religions
>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we
>>>>>>>>>
> live
>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to
>>>>>>>>>
> my
>
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>>>>>>>>>
> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is
>>>>>>>>>>
> a
>
>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>
> extremist?
>
>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by
>>>>>>>>>>
> many
>
>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am
>>>>>>>>>>
> far
>
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
>>>>>>>>>>
> only
>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>
> truth,
>
>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You
>>>>>>>>>>
> are/were an
>
>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
>>>>>>>>>>
> all
>
>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make
>>>>>>>>>>
> it
>
>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could
all
>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
>>>>>>>>>>
> what
>
>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
>>>>>>>>>>
> many
>
>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution
is
>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could
>>>>>>>>>>
> further
>
>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
>>>>>>>>>>
> that
>
>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."
>>>>>>>>>>
> I
>
>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one
is
>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>
> Spontaneous
>
>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>>>>>>>>>>
> leaves us
>
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative
>>>>>>>>>>
> act of
>
>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology
>>>>>>>>>>
> at
>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>
> realized
>
>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
contrivances
>>>>>>>>>>
> for
>
>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>
> different
>
>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>
> chromatic
>
>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>
> freely
>
>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>
> Darwin,
>
>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
>>>>>>>>>>
> which
>
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>>>>>>>>>>
> (Charles
>
>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
>>>>>>>>>>
> myself
>
>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles
Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>
> Life
>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>
> scientists
>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do
>>>>>>>>>>
> my
>
>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual
findings,
>>>>>>>>>>
> but
>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God
or
>>>>>>>>>>
> some
>
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions
>>>>>>>>>>
> that it
>
>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
schools
>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime
to
>>>>>>>>>>
> kill
>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>
> believing
>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me
>>>>>>>>>>
> see
>
>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
"selected")
>>>>>>>>>>
> from
>
>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be
>>>>>>>>>>
> made to
>
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans
are
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
thinkers.
>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or
a
>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
heavens
>>>>>>>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>>>>>>>>>>
> parishioners
>
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of
>>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> would
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> make up)
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> breaker
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sarabaracuda
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> hanger
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> as a
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> being
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> that's
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> discussion
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> overseas.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> it's a
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> they are
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than
an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> McCain is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> re-defined
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> within the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> now
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Palin
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most
experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> was
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> but
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> gone
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did
not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> shredding of
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> right
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> extremists
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> walked
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> dollar
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> there is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> cannot do
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> decisions,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> up to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> fire is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Stillwell,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> posted
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
marxist,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> or a
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> some
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> McCain
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> policy
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could
be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> an
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> grounds.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Tootle
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Herb,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> for
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and
so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
hyperbole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> know
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> it. I
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> am
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> repeated
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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