[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 9 16:10:52 EDT 2008
Michael, I'm sorry, I did not realize that each sentence in this
exchange required a statement of "this is my opionion".
However, just for grins, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Herb,
>
> You state as fact:
> "... the individual's religious belifs (sic) involve yet another
> individual."
>
> You conclude:
> "You are advocating that a woman be allowed to kill another living human
> based on HER religious beliefs, not those of that living human."
>
> The "fact" is actually your opinion according to your religious beliefs that
> this is another human being. You then employ your religious beliefs to
> close the argument in restating the premise "... of that living human."
> There is no logic to the argument. It is so only because you say it is so,
> and that is according to your religious beliefs. This is circular, at best.
>
> I know that you can do better ...
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
> 2008 3:06 PM
>
>> Resent away Michael, but what did I "present as fact"?
>>
>> And, beliefs aside, my reasoning is not "circular". I believe very much
>> in an individual's right to decide for themselves what they will and
>> will not do. However, when that decision directly affects another,
>> especially the life of another, than it is not the one individual's
>> choice to make.
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> It always amazes me that you have no problem putting your beliefs and
>>> opinions in the form of fact in your arguments. The interesting thing is
>>> that the more I agree with the basic principles of these discussions, the
>>> more I resent your reasoning. While we may reach the same conclusion,
>>> the
>>> paths are significantly diverse.
>>>
>>> My opinions and beliefs aside, I think that in order to state "I would
>>> agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs (sic)
>>> involve
>>> yet another individual," one must employ circular reasoning, thus
>>> defeating
>>> the value of the statement.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>>> 2008 1:58 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs
>>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be
>>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious beliefs, not
>>>> those of that living human.
>>>>
>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>>
>>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also include
>>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on a
>>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our place
>>>>> to
>>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in this at
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rik
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your
>>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my government
>>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male could
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does not
>>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word, sounds
>>>>>>> good)
>>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>> shown
>>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her
>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am I, for
>>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on the
>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie, mind
>>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing this
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in abortion
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that Palin
>>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is that
>>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the standard.
>>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath, thus
>>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their beliefs
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at any
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct religious
>>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) I
>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>> forgive
>>>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden to
>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's founding
>>>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious opinion
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life does
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months before
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a Palin to
>>>>>>>>> call such
>>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his way
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed god
>>>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
>>>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful will
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are
>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And you're
>>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin very
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and animal
>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all religions
>>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do we live
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions to my
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>> extremist?
>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven by many
>>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I am far
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>> truth,
>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You are/were
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is what
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as many
>>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution is
>>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could further
>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze." I
>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous
>>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves
>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>> chromatic
>>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>> freely
>>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>> scientists
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the schools
>>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
>>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime to
>>>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> believing
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were "selected")
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be made
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans are
>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe" Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a marxist, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example, Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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