[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Tue Sep 9 16:58:46 EDT 2008


Herb,

When in doubt, you deny what was said.  Check the archives.

I didn't dodge any question.  Your "question" is simply designed to change 
the object of attention.  I learned long ago not to take a bully's bait.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 
2008 4:49 PM
> Mike,
>
> Are you really as stupid as your are sounding? I never presented them as
> "facts".
>
> However, you did dodge the question. Since you state that it's my
> opinion that they're human, what is your opinion of them. Mineral, maybe
> Canine? C'mon man speak up.
>
>
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> Thank you for finally realizing that your "facts" are opinions.  QED.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>> 2008 4:10 PM
>>
>>> Michael, I'm sorry, I did not realize that each sentence in this
>>> exchange required a statement of "this is my opionion".
>>> However, just for grins, if it's not human, exactly what is it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> You state as fact:
>>>> "... the individual's religious belifs (sic) involve yet another
>>>> individual."
>>>>
>>>> You conclude:
>>>> "You are advocating that a woman be allowed to kill another living 
>>>> human
>>>> based on HER religious beliefs, not those of that living human."
>>>>
>>>> The "fact" is actually your opinion according to your religious beliefs
>>>> that
>>>> this is another human being.  You then employ your religious beliefs to
>>>> close the argument in restating the premise "... of that living human."
>>>> There is no logic to the argument.  It is so only because you say it is
>>>> so,
>>>> and that is according to your religious beliefs.  This is circular, at
>>>> best.
>>>>
>>>> I know that you can do better ...
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 
>>>> 09,
>>>> 2008 3:06 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Resent away Michael, but what did I "present as fact"?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, beliefs aside, my reasoning is not "circular". I believe very 
>>>>> much
>>>>> in an individual's right to decide for themselves what they will and
>>>>> will not do. However, when that decision directly affects another,
>>>>> especially the life of another, than it is not the one individual's
>>>>> choice to make.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It always amazes me that you have no problem putting your beliefs and
>>>>>> opinions in the form of fact in your arguments.  The interesting 
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that the more I agree with the basic principles of these discussions,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> more I resent your reasoning.  While we may reach the same 
>>>>>> conclusion,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> paths are significantly diverse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinions and beliefs aside, I think that in order to state "I 
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs (sic)
>>>>>> involve
>>>>>> yet another individual," one must employ circular reasoning, thus
>>>>>> defeating
>>>>>> the value of the statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, September
>>>>>> 09,
>>>>>> 2008 1:58 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious 
>>>>>>> belifs
>>>>>>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman be
>>>>>>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious beliefs,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> those of that living human.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also 
>>>>>>>> include
>>>>>>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided on a
>>>>>>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our 
>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about your
>>>>>>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male 
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue does
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word, sounds
>>>>>>>>>> good)
>>>>>>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has also
>>>>>>>>>> shown
>>>>>>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on her
>>>>>>>>>> constituents.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am I,
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means you
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs, ie,
>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>> your own business.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been doing
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in 
>>>>>>>>>> abortion
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding is
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the 
>>>>>>>>>>> standard.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said, anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>>>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of fath,
>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide at 
>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still in
>>>>>>>>>>> college?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct 
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and blood) 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>> truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>>>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>>>>>>>>> forgive
>>>>>>>>>>>> them -
>>>>>>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be forbidden 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his vp
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> be our
>>>>>>>>>>>> leader without notice.  Then where would this country's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> founding
>>>>>>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right:  When life starts is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government.   You may feel life 
>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months 
>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin dividing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> call such
>>>>>>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart guys
>>>>>>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>>>>>>>>> avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his 
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>> kind.   Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>>>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>>>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably
>>>>>>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>>>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions.  It is Palin I am fearful 
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a confessed
>>>>>>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>>>>>>>>>  .
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm" <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook.  And 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I haven't studied Darwin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to creationism.  Since most of the species of plant and animal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> design."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure?  How do you know this?  What I know is that all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answering three questions:  Where did we come from, how do we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens when we die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.  I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible.  You 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are/were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not make 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven evolution 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He thought he could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial ooze."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spontaneous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> act
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrivances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chromatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Charles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> findings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a crime 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "selected")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinkers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parishioners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarabaracuda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shredding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marxist,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tootle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hyperbole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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