[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans

[elle]

Lee,

just trying to aim the discussion to an, um, 'higher' level...;^)

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:

> From: KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 2:12 PM
> Elle,
> 
> I can't think of anything positive to say about that,
> except that it
> would certainly help me focus on other things.
> 
> Lee
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elle [mailto:watermusic38 at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:59 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the
> "evolutionists" are going
> to save us from the Republicans
> 
> Forced semen storage and then mass castration could end the
> abortion
> debate once and for all.
> 
> elle
> 
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can
> adjust our sails.
> 
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"  
> (Lady in Red)
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Ben Cittadino
> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the
> "evolutionists" are
> going to save us from the Republicans
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 12:05 PM
> > Herb,
> > 
> > You raise an interesting legal point.  Did you know
> that
> > the right to use
> > deadly force to defend one's property is different
> in
> > the different states?
> > In fact it changes in direct proportion to one's
> > movement from northeast to
> > southwest.  In most northeastern states a person has a
> duty
> > to retreat and
> > not use deadly force to defend one's property, but
> as
> > one moves southwest a
> > person has more legal right to stand their ground and
> even
> > use deadly force
> > to defend their property. It's actually a
> fascinating
> > study of the whole
> > macho "code of the west" thing. 
> > 
> > I just can't do the abortion debate. Nobody ever
> > changes anybody's mind on
> > it. I think it just comes down to a society balancing
> very
> > impotant
> > competing interests. So far our society has decided
> that a
> > woman's privacy
> > right trumps the government's interest in
> protecting
> > the life (or potential
> > for life) of the not yet born up to the point of about
> > 2/3rds of the way
> > through the pregnancy. It's a judgment call. It
> seems
> > reasonable enough to
> > me.
> > 
> > Ben, s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Psssst, Brad, don't tell anyone on here that
> already
> > knows differently, 
> > but in spite of my personal religious beliefs, I
> believe
> > that the issue 
> > should be left up to the states.
> > 
> > Further, I think that local cities should be allowed
> to
> > further 
> > restrict, within the confines of their state's
> charter
> > and constitution, 
> > the matter. I believe that to be how we should operate
> on a
> > lot of 
> > different issues.
> > 
> > Did you know that in some states it's illegal to
> own a
> > handgun, but in 
> > the GST (Great State of Texas), you not only can
> legally
> > own one, you 
> > can shoot, and kill, someone who's stupid enough
> to try
> > to take what is 
> > your property when you've got one of them handy.
> > 
> > Brad Haslett wrote:
> > > Herb,
> > >
> > > The nut cuttin' of the conversation is how
> much
> > should the federal
> > > government be involved in personal decisions of
> > morality.  I say, not
> > > much.  That should be left up to the states and
> the
> > locals.  I grew up
> > > in a dry township.  Other people with other ideas
> > about that moved six
> > > miles away. Everything is a trade-off.  Roe v
> Wade was
> > an unnecessary
> > > invasion of states rights. What certain groups
> > can't get legislated,
> > > they try and get decided from the bench. The
> issue
> > that started this
> > > thread was Gov. Palin's religious
> convictions. 
> > The first bill she
> > > vetoed was one that would strip health care
> benefits
> > from the gay
> > > partners of Alaskan state employees.  Her
> reasoning
> > and statements at
> > > the time of the veto was that is was
> unconstitutional.
> >  What greater
> > > litmus test is there?  The far lefts poster child
> yard
> > sign is molding
> > > and wilting in the sunshine.  We'll have this
> > argument another day
> > > under another banner and with a different
> cheerleader.
> >  This one
> > > turned out to be an empty suit on too many other
> > issues.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Herb Parsons
> > <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >   
> > >> There is nothing wrong with society
> determining
> > the "moral boundries"
> > >> they wish to maintain. There is also nothing
> wrong
> > with those moral
> > >> boundries being subject to change as said
> society
> > changes. In spite of
> > >> my religious beliefs, I do not now want a
> > theocracy, no have I ever.
> > >>
> > >> However, the notion that 5 men can forever
> dictate
> > to a nation of
> > >> millions what their moral boundry should be
> is
> > tyranny. I do not want
> > >> the feds pushing any agenda one way or the
> other,
> > and that includes the
> > >> federal judicial branch. I want the citizenry
> to
> > make that choice.
> > >>
> > >> I know, I know, it kinda blows your
> "Herb
> > wants his religion for
> > >> everyone" nonsense, huh Michael?
> > >>
> > >> BTW, all of the above reflects my personal
> > opinion. None of it intended
> > >> to be perceived by an reader or observer as
> any
> > type of fact, implied or
> > >> otherwise. They are worth at least as much as
> the
> > durability of the
> > >> media in which they are made, and their only
> > asserted value is that. All
> > >> readers and/or observers are free, and even
> > welcome, to ascribe to said
> > >> beliefs, or simply write them off as so much
> > bullshit.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, and Michael, you flatter yourself. I
> > didn't just recently "realize"
> > >> all of that. I DID make the absurd assumption
> that
> > you recognized
> > >> opinion when you saw it. Silly me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>> Todd,
> > >>>
> > >>> I certainly never wanted to remove God
> from my
> > life.  I, like Ben C.,
> > >>> have
> > >>> no problem with the coexistence of God
> and
> > science.  I cannot understand
> > >>> why
> > >>> every group in this country (religious or
> > non-religious) feels that the
> > >>> separation of church and state means that
> we
> > need to remove all traces
> > >>> of
> > >>> religion and culture from public places. 
> > Since we can't offend anyone
> > >>> by
> > >>> celebrating our religious rituals, we
> must
> > remove all religion from
> > >>> schools,
> > >>> government and the public.  I think that
> if we
> > remove all holidays,
> > >>> ethnic
> > >>> traditions, religious symbols, etc. the
> world
> > will be a pretty ugly
> > >>> place.
> > >>>
> > >>>  I do, however, feel that religious
> beliefs
> > are very personal and no one
> > >>> has
> > >>> the right to impose them on others.  I
> think
> > that this is what was meant
> > >>> by
> > >>> the separation of church and state, to
> > eliminate religious persecution. 
> > >>> How
> > >>> is one to deal with the concept put forth
> by
> > some faiths that place the
> > >>> responsibility for misdeeds by one on all
> of
> > society?  What is the basis
> > >>> for
> > >>> the following statement from Todd:
> "Each
> > draws his line of good
> > >>> conscience
> > >>> to justify acts past, present, or future
> in
> > his or her own life (or
> > >>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal
> > reproductive rights of every
> > >>> random
> > >>> Jane Doe."  What, exactly, does it
> mean?
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Todd Tavares"
> > <sprocket80 at mail.com>Sent: Tuesday, September
> 09,
> > >>> 2008
> > >>> 4:43 PM
> > >>>
> > >>>       
> > >>>> Michael, It is just another example
> of
> > taking God OR religion out of
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> equation to ease our conscience.
> Excluding
> > cases of rape, incest, etc.,
> > >>>> the parents of the developing fetus;
> > whether you consider it alive or
> > >>>> not, had a choice and responsibility
> they
> > chose not to exercise.  Is
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> knowledge and ability to perform
> surgical
> > abortion the only thing that
> > >>>> separates us from our animal urges
> and the
> > apes we evolved from?
> > >>>> Religious, Christian, Atheist, or
> Pagan;
> > view videos and pictures of a
> > >>>> "partial birth abortion"--
> which
> > the legal rights of the mother to
> > >>>> choose, Clinton initially fought to
> try to
> > preserve and even a
> > >>>> civilized
> > >>>> atheist would exclaim OH MY F'ing
> GOD
> > and start thinking
> > >>>> differently...even if they'd
> never
> > admit it openly and risk
> > >>>> contradicting
> > >>>> their publicly espoused views.   Each
> > draws his line of good conscience
> > >>>> to justify acts past, present, or
> future
> > in his or her own life (or
> > >>>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal
> > reproductive rights of every
> > >>>> random
> > >>>> Jane Doe.   Let's look in the
> mirror
> > and stop lying to ourselves and
> > >>>> each
> > >>>> other here. (not a fact....just a
> thought)
> > Todd T
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>  From: "Michael D. Weisner"
> > >>>>  To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> List"
> > >>>>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise
> > Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
> > >>>>  going to save us from the
> Republicans
> > >>>>  Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:54:12 -0400
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Herb,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  You state as fact:
> > >>>>  "... the individual's
> religious
> > belifs (sic) involve yet another
> > >>>>  individual."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  You conclude:
> > >>>>  "You are advocating that a
> woman be
> > allowed to kill another living
> > >>>>  human
> > >>>>  based on HER religious beliefs, not
> those
> > of that living human."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  The "fact" is actually
> your
> > opinion according to your religious
> > >>>>  beliefs that
> > >>>>  this is another human being. You
> then
> > employ your religious beliefs
> > >>>>  to
> > >>>>  close the argument in restating the
> > premise "... of that living
> > >>>>  human."
> > >>>>  There is no logic to the argument.
> It is
> > so only because you say it
> > >>>>  is so,
> > >>>>  and that is according to your
> religious
> > beliefs. This is circular, at
> > >>>>  best.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  I know that you can do better ...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Mike
> > >>>>  s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >>>>  Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  From: "Herb Parsons" Sent:
> > Tuesday, September 09,
> > >>>>  2008 3:06 PM
> > >>>>  > Resent away Michael, but what
> did I
> > "present as fact"?
> > >>>>  >
> > >>>>  > And, beliefs aside, my
> reasoning is
> > not "circular". I believe very
> > >>>>  much
> > >>>>  > in an individual's right to
> > decide for themselves what they will
> > >>>>  and
> > >>>>  > will not do. However, when that
> > decision directly affects another,
> > >>>>  > especially the life of another,
> than
> > it is not the one individual's
> > >>>>  > choice to make.
> > >>>>  >
> > >>>>  >
> > >>>>  > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > >>>>  >> Herb,
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >> It always amazes me that
> you
> > have no problem putting your beliefs
> > >>>>  and
> > >>>>  >> opinions in the form of
> fact in
> > your arguments. The interesting
> > >>>>  thing is
> > >>>>  >> that the more I agree with
> the
> > basic principles of these
> > >>>>  discussions, the
> > >>>>  >> more I resent your
> reasoning.
> > While we may reach the same
> > >>>>  conclusion, the
> > >>>>  >> paths are significantly
> diverse.
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >> My opinions and beliefs
> aside, I
> > think that in order to state "I
> > >>>>  would
> > >>>>  >> agree, except in this case,
> the
> > individual's religious belifs
> > >>>>  (sic) involve
> > >>>>  >> yet another
> individual,"
> > one must employ circular reasoning, thus
> > >>>>  defeating
> > >>>>  >> the value of the statement.
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >> Mike
> > >>>>  >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer
> > ('81)
> > >>>>  >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >> From: "Herb
> Parsons"
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
> > >>>>  >> 2008 1:58 PM
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>> I would agree, except
> in
> > this case, the individual's religious
> > >>>>  belifs
> > >>>>  >>> involve yet another
> > individual. You are advocating that a woman
> > >>>>  be
> > >>>>  >>> allowed to kill another
> > living human based on HER religious
> > >>>>  beliefs, not
> > >>>>  >>> those of that living
> human.
> > >>>>  >>>
> > >>>>  >>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Herb,
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Well, here you go
> my
> > friend. War is a terrible analogy.
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> IF we are going to
> have
> > freedom OF religion, which would also
> > >>>>  include
> > >>>>  >>>> freedom FROM
> religion
> > and the abortion issue is mostly decided
> > >>>>  on a
> > >>>>  >>>> religious (or
> > non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
> > >>>>  place to
> > >>>>  >>>> expect anyone else
> to
> > assume our religious beliefs.
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Which leads us
> right
> > back to; the gov't should have no voice in
> > >>>>  this at
> > >>>>  >>>> all.
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Rik
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Ayn Rand was a
> prophet -
> > - it isn't my fault
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>> I like your
> honest
> > assessment on Palin, but I disagree about
> > >>>>  your
> > >>>>  >>>>> labeling of the
> > position.
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>> If I say
> I'm not
> > going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
> > >>>>  government
> > >>>>  >>>>> attacks
> another, am
> > I anti-war, or pro-war?
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>> Obviously,
> > you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a
> male
> > >>>>  could be
> > >>>>  >>>>> neither pro or
> anti;
> > however, anyone that believes the issue
> > >>>>  does not
> > >>>>  >>>>> affect me is
> wearing
> > blinders.
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>> Rik Sandberg
> wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> Herb,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> Agreed.
> Palin
> > claims no more religiousity (is that a word,
> > >>>>  sounds good)
> > >>>>  >>>>>> than either
> of
> > the other three candidates involved. She has
> > >>>>  also shown
> > >>>>  >>>>>> that she
> can
> > govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on
> > >>>>  her
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> constituents.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> On the
> abortion
> > issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am
> > >>>>  I, for
> > >>>>  >>>>>> me. I am
> > pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle
> on
> > >>>>  the idea
> > >>>>  >>>>>> that
> pro-choice
> > doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means
> > >>>>  you should
> > >>>>  >>>>>> be able to
> make
> > your own choice and let others make theirs,
> > >>>>  ie, mind
> > >>>>  >>>>>> your own
> > business.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> From what
> > I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been
> > >>>>  doing this
> > >>>>  >>>>>> too.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> If I had my
> way,
> > the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
> > >>>>  abortion at
> > >>>>  >>>>>> all.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> Rik
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> Ayn Rand
> was a
> > prophet - - it isn't my fault
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>> Herb
> Parsons
> > wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> Stan,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> What
> > evidence do you have that would lead you to believe
> that
> > >>>>  Palin
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> would
> force
> > her religious belief on anyone? My understanding
> > >>>>  is that
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> she's
> > all for allowing the individual states to set the
> > >>>>  standard.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> However,
> > that's really beside the point. As you said,
> > >>>>  anyone's
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> pinpoint
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> of the
> exact
> > time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of
> > >>>>  fath, thus
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> ANYONE
> > setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
> > >>>>  beliefs on
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> others.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> Surely
> > you're not advocating allowing the parents to
> decide
> > >>>>  at any
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> time
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> they
> choose,
> > up to and including while the "fetus" is
> still
> > >>>>  in
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> college?
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>> stan
> wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> Slim,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> As
> a
> > member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if
> > >>>>  you really
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> plan
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> to
> skip
> > voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
> > >>>>  religious
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth
> and
> > >>>>  blood) I
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> would be
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> truly
> > saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and
> > Palin's
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > inability to
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> live up
> > to their own family values, relying on their gods to
> > >>>>  forgive
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> them -
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> I
> worry
> > about their health; a topic that seems to be
> > >>>>  forbidden to
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> address.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner
> days and
> > his
> > >>>>  vp could
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> be
> our
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> leader
> > without notice. Then where would this country's
> > >>>>  founding
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> desire
> > for
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > religious freedom end up? The first example is already
> on
> > >>>>  the table
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> Catholic
> > Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious
> > >>>>  opinion
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> should
> > not be one decided by government. You may feel life
> > >>>>  does not
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> start
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> until a
> > breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
> > >>>>  before the
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> start,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> the
> > Christens count from the moment the cells begin
> > >>>>  dividing.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > Personally I
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > don't think it starts until after college. If we
> allow a
> > >>>>  Palin to
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> call
> > such
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> shots we
> > are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart
> > >>>>  guys
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> insisted
> > on
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he
> had his
> > >>>>  way the
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> first
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> judge he
> > would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
> > >>>>  list of
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> her
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> kind.
> > Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
> > >>>>  god
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> onto our
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> coins),
> > god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will
> > >>>>  all,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > eventually,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> become
> > strong advocates of the second amendment.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> John, at
> > least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would
> > >>>>  probably
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> revert
> > to
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> many of
> > his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful
> > >>>>  will give
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> us
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> even
> > worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > womanizer.)
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> stan/ec
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> .
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> -----
> > Original Message ----- From: "Steven Alm"
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>> To:
> > "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> Sent:
> > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> Subject:
> > Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the
> > >>>>  "evolutionists" are
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> going to
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> save us
> > from the Republicans
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > Todd,
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious
> kook.
> > And
> > >>>>  you're
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > right, I
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't
> studied
> > Darwin
> > >>>>  very much
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> (and
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> I
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > applaud your research and quotes) but I don't
> think
> > that's
> > >>>>  the only
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > rebuke
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> to
> > creationism. Since most of the species of plant and
> > >>>>  animal life
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> on
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> this
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that
> > "unintelligent
> > >>>>  design."
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> You
> > said there are only two possibilities as to how life
> > >>>>  started.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> Are
> > you
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all
> > >>>>  religions
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > serve in
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > answering three questions: Where did we come from, how
> do
> > >>>>  we live
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> and
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> what
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those
> > questions
> > >>>>  to my
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> own
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell
> me
> > >>>>  anything.
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> Slim
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> On
> > Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because
> he
> > >>>>  is a
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Marxist
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a
> religious
> > >>>>  extremist?
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > :^D
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been
> proven
> > >>>>  by many
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating.
> I
> > >>>>  am far
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > from
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the
> earth
> > >>>>  is only
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > a
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as
> much
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > scientific
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > information out there to; while not proving creation
> is
> > >>>>  the truth,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > surely
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You
> > >>>>  are/were an
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > educator and were taught evolution from a text book,
> like
> > >>>>  we all
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > were.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Just because you read something in a text book does
> not
> > >>>>  make it
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > truth.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we
> could
> > >>>>  all
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > stomach
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > creationism if we called it a theory too. After all
> that
> > >>>>  is what
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are
> equally
> > >>>>  as many
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > scientists out there who believe they have proven
> > >>>>  evolution is
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > myth. It
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he
> could
> > >>>>  further
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > explain
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life
> and
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > everything
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say
> it
> > >>>>  was that
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > first
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > amino acid or protein chain in the pool of
> "primordial
> > >>>>  ooze." I
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > like how
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "There are only two possibilities as to how life
> arose;
> > >>>>  one is
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other
> is
> > >>>>  a
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > supernatural
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
> > >>>>  Spontaneous
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > generation that life arose from non-living matter was
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > scientifically
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others.
> That
> > >>>>  leaves us
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > with
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a
> > >>>>  creative act of
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > God. I
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > will not accept that philosophically because I do not
> want
> > >>>>  to
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > believe in
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I
> know is
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > scientifically
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > impossible, spontaneous generation arising to
> > evolution."
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of
> > >>>>  Biology at
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > the
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin
> himself
> > >>>>  realized
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > evolution was not workable.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
> > >>>>  contrivances for
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > adjusting the focus to different distances, for
> admitting
> > >>>>  different
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical
> and
> > >>>>  chromatic
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > aberration, could have formed by natural selection,
> seems,
> > >>>>  I freely
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > confess, absurd in the highest degree possible."
> > (Charles
> > >>>>  Darwin,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "The
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > origin of species by means of natural selection")
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "If it could be demonstrated that any complex
> organ
> > >>>>  existed which
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > could
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive,
> > >>>>  slight
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > modifications, my theory would absolutely break
> down."
> > >>>>  (Charles
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Darwin,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "The Origin of Species")
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I
> have
> > asked
> > >>>>  myself
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > whether
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."
> (Charles
> > >>>>  Darwin, Life
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > and
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors
> and
> > >>>>  scientists
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > to
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation
> right.
> > I could
> > >>>>  "do my
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > homework" as we say here on the list and cite
> actual
> > >>>>  findings, but
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > that
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility
> of
> > >>>>  God or some
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > other
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our
> notions
> > >>>>  that it
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > is ok
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
> > >>>>  schools
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > teach this
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn
> about
> > >>>>  the
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > theory of
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > creation along with evolution) or that it should be a
> > >>>>  crime to kill
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > a
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say
> everyone
> > >>>>  believing
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > in
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have
> made
> > >>>>  me see
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > this as
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues
> aside.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Todd T
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
> > >>>>  "selected") from
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > apes.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > We don't want any of the apes that were not
> selected to
> > be
> > >>>>  made to
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > feel
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > inferior.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > From: "Steven Alm"
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the
> Republicans
> > >>>>  are
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > going to
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > save us from the Republicans
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a
> litmus
> > test for
> > >>>>  religious
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > beliefs."
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
> > >>>>  thinkers.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Palin is
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a
> > Catholic
> > >>>>  or a
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Lutheran
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > but
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole
> > >>>>  scientific
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > community and
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
> > >>>>  heavens and
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > earth
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > are
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > only a few thousand years old. You didn't just
> call ME
> > an
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > extremist, did
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > you?
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
> > >>>>  parishioners
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > should
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the
> end
> > >>>>  of the
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > world,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > I can't believe that was you quoting all that God
> stuff.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Slim
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> "She's
> > already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> separating her
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>> personal
> > beliefs from her duties."
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> Wouldn't it
> > be better if she didn't have to?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon,
> Sep 8,
> > 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh,
> so the
> > "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
> > >>>>  religious
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> beliefs.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> She's
> > already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> separating
> > her
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> personal
> > beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
> > >>>>  would
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> denied
> > benefits to gay couples.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But,
> you
> > extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find
> (or
> > >>>>  make up)
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> SOMETHING
> > on her.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> Steven Alm
> > wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is
> a
> > >>>>  deal breaker
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> for
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> me.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> The
> > most important legacy the president leaves is the
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > appointment of
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > the
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> supreme
> > court.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> The
> > next pres might appoint as many as three. If
> > >>>>  Sarabaracuda
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> has
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > her
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> way,
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> say
> > goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
> > >>>>  hanger
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> abortions.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Slim
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> On Sun,
> > Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > think it's funny that the candidate that was
> > >>>>  considered as a
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > running
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is
> > >>>>  now being
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > touted as
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "more of the same". Keep trying though, you
> guys
> > may
> > >>>>  find
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > something
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > works.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook",
> that
> > fact
> > >>>>  that's
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > petelargo wrote:
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
> > >>>>  there is
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > no
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> dialogue
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > with
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
> > >>>>  discussion
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > and
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > your
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > idiot to boot.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
> > >>>>  overseas.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > At
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > RNC,
> > >>>> 
> >
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They
> > >>>>  know it's a
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> > failed
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
> > >>>>  they are
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather
> > >>>>  than an
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > issues
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > discussion.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and
> > WHA-LAA",
> > >>>>  McCain is
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > now
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> >
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > corruption in
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
> > >>>>  re-defined
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > a
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
> > >>>>  within the
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > last
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> eight
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > years including his own authored bill that he was for
> > >>>>  and now
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > against.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > I couldn't give a poop about the experience
> argument
> > >>>>  of Palin
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > vs
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> Obama.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > It's
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > a waste of time. The entire
> > >>>>  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > etc
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > administration could be argued to be the most
> > >>>>  experienced
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > administration
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > the history of the White House. A huge amount of
> > >>>>  prior
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "executive
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > experience". For the first time in recent
> politics
> > >>>>  the
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Republicans
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> had
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
> > >>>>  How was
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > it
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > for
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> you?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our
> > >>>>  butts, but
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > when
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > blowing on the horn while there're doing it,
> it's
> > >>>>  really gone
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > too
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > far.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
> > >>>>  the
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > twisting
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country
> that
> > did
> > >>>>  not
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > attack
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > us,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
> > >>>>  shredding of
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > the
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > constitution. With Palin we now we get to have
> > >>>>  another
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > religious
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > kook
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > satisfy the so-called conservative extremist
> > >>>>  religious right
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > to
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > 'bridge'
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > them into this administration and get money.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
> > >>>>  kissing
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > chinese
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > ass
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > government
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > planet at this time is a conservative value?
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
> > >>>>  extremists
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > actually
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > think
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > conservatism?
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > The
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> two
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > top key pillars of conservatism are less government
> > >>>>  and
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > government
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > intrusion
> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > and fiscal responsibility. The only administration
> > >>>>  that walked
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > that
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> talk
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
> > >>>>  dollar
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > surplus.
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > blew
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
> > >>>>  there is
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > no
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> greater
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > government intrusion that being told what you can or
> > >>>>  cannot do
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > with or
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
> > >>>>  decisions,
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > but
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > she
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > wants
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > to legislate publicly what you should do with yours.
> > >>>>  No
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > thanks.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > My Dear Culture Warriors;
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > So....are we having fun yet?
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for
> > >>>>  stepping up to
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > join
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > the
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "Assault on the Citadel".
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > The bullets don't sting as much when the
> adversary's
> > >>>>  fire is
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > spread
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> out
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > among more than one target.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar
> Joe"
> > >>>>  Stillwell,
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "illegitimi
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > non carborundum".
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.
> > >>>>  I posted
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > about
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Obama
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > only because I saw Tootle's post that
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
> > >>>>  marxist, or a
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > farm
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > animal.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > What did he expect when he said that?
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer
> > >>>>  to some
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > of
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > his
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > fellow
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms?
> Supporting
> > Obama
> > >>>>  or McCain
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
> > >>>>  policy
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > and
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > don't
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's
> > bar"
> > >>>>  could be an
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> interesting
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > place.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Richard's "geezer" remarks are
> defensible on
> > several
> > >>>>  grounds.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > First,
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> he
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Third, it was funny. Calling someone a
> "marxist"
> > as
> > >>>>  Tootle
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > did is
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > several
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > "old fart" kind. Surely you see the
> difference.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some
> > >>>>  people
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > support
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > Obama
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > were
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > not an argument supporting any position. For
> > >>>>  example, Herb,
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > you
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > are
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
> > >>>>  part for
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > that
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > reason.
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research
> > >>>>  and so I
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > will
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> support
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
> > >>>>  hyperbole to
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > point
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> out
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > the policy differences that explain my choice. What
> > >>>>  I know
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > for
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > sure
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing
> to do
> > >>>>  with it. I
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > have
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> thought
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned
> > >>>>  and am
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>> 
> >
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> > >>>> 
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> mailing
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> > >>>>  >>>>>>>>>
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> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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