[Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are going to save us from the Republicans
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Sep 10 14:57:08 EDT 2008
Ben,
I'll only address the first part of your post, the second is a
personal issue. The GI attitude of deadly force in aircraft
hijackings survived from the 50's until 9/11. The attitude was
"cooperate and graduate" and "how do we get to Cuba from here". The
precursor to 9/11 was flight 705 (do your own Google search, somewhere
in my 30 page employment contract it says I shouldn't talk that event)
but since 9/11 the rules have changed. Kill the bad guys first, ask
questions later. Some one asked me a few weeks ago if I thought China
would ever change their form of government and I said NO, the citizens
don't own guns. Never underestimate the value of the Second
Amendment.
Brad
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> You raise an interesting legal point. Did you know that the right to use
> deadly force to defend one's property is different in the different states?
> In fact it changes in direct proportion to one's movement from northeast to
> southwest. In most northeastern states a person has a duty to retreat and
> not use deadly force to defend one's property, but as one moves southwest a
> person has more legal right to stand their ground and even use deadly force
> to defend their property. It's actually a fascinating study of the whole
> macho "code of the west" thing.
>
> I just can't do the abortion debate. Nobody ever changes anybody's mind on
> it. I think it just comes down to a society balancing very impotant
> competing interests. So far our society has decided that a woman's privacy
> right trumps the government's interest in protecting the life (or potential
> for life) of the not yet born up to the point of about 2/3rds of the way
> through the pregnancy. It's a judgment call. It seems reasonable enough to
> me.
>
> Ben, s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
>
>
>
> Psssst, Brad, don't tell anyone on here that already knows differently,
> but in spite of my personal religious beliefs, I believe that the issue
> should be left up to the states.
>
> Further, I think that local cities should be allowed to further
> restrict, within the confines of their state's charter and constitution,
> the matter. I believe that to be how we should operate on a lot of
> different issues.
>
> Did you know that in some states it's illegal to own a handgun, but in
> the GST (Great State of Texas), you not only can legally own one, you
> can shoot, and kill, someone who's stupid enough to try to take what is
> your property when you've got one of them handy.
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> The nut cuttin' of the conversation is how much should the federal
>> government be involved in personal decisions of morality. I say, not
>> much. That should be left up to the states and the locals. I grew up
>> in a dry township. Other people with other ideas about that moved six
>> miles away. Everything is a trade-off. Roe v Wade was an unnecessary
>> invasion of states rights. What certain groups can't get legislated,
>> they try and get decided from the bench. The issue that started this
>> thread was Gov. Palin's religious convictions. The first bill she
>> vetoed was one that would strip health care benefits from the gay
>> partners of Alaskan state employees. Her reasoning and statements at
>> the time of the veto was that is was unconstitutional. What greater
>> litmus test is there? The far lefts poster child yard sign is molding
>> and wilting in the sunshine. We'll have this argument another day
>> under another banner and with a different cheerleader. This one
>> turned out to be an empty suit on too many other issues.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing wrong with society determining the "moral boundries"
>>> they wish to maintain. There is also nothing wrong with those moral
>>> boundries being subject to change as said society changes. In spite of
>>> my religious beliefs, I do not now want a theocracy, no have I ever.
>>>
>>> However, the notion that 5 men can forever dictate to a nation of
>>> millions what their moral boundry should be is tyranny. I do not want
>>> the feds pushing any agenda one way or the other, and that includes the
>>> federal judicial branch. I want the citizenry to make that choice.
>>>
>>> I know, I know, it kinda blows your "Herb wants his religion for
>>> everyone" nonsense, huh Michael?
>>>
>>> BTW, all of the above reflects my personal opinion. None of it intended
>>> to be perceived by an reader or observer as any type of fact, implied or
>>> otherwise. They are worth at least as much as the durability of the
>>> media in which they are made, and their only asserted value is that. All
>>> readers and/or observers are free, and even welcome, to ascribe to said
>>> beliefs, or simply write them off as so much bullshit.
>>>
>>> Oh, and Michael, you flatter yourself. I didn't just recently "realize"
>>> all of that. I DID make the absurd assumption that you recognized
>>> opinion when you saw it. Silly me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Todd,
>>>>
>>>> I certainly never wanted to remove God from my life. I, like Ben C.,
>>>> have
>>>> no problem with the coexistence of God and science. I cannot understand
>>>> why
>>>> every group in this country (religious or non-religious) feels that the
>>>> separation of church and state means that we need to remove all traces
>>>> of
>>>> religion and culture from public places. Since we can't offend anyone
>>>> by
>>>> celebrating our religious rituals, we must remove all religion from
>>>> schools,
>>>> government and the public. I think that if we remove all holidays,
>>>> ethnic
>>>> traditions, religious symbols, etc. the world will be a pretty ugly
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> I do, however, feel that religious beliefs are very personal and no one
>>>> has
>>>> the right to impose them on others. I think that this is what was meant
>>>> by
>>>> the separation of church and state, to eliminate religious persecution.
>>>> How
>>>> is one to deal with the concept put forth by some faiths that place the
>>>> responsibility for misdeeds by one on all of society? What is the basis
>>>> for
>>>> the following statement from Todd: "Each draws his line of good
>>>> conscience
>>>> to justify acts past, present, or future in his or her own life (or
>>>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal reproductive rights of every
>>>> random
>>>> Jane Doe." What, exactly, does it mean?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>>>> 2008
>>>> 4:43 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Michael, It is just another example of taking God OR religion out of
>>>>> the
>>>>> equation to ease our conscience. Excluding cases of rape, incest, etc.,
>>>>> the parents of the developing fetus; whether you consider it alive or
>>>>> not, had a choice and responsibility they chose not to exercise. Is
>>>>> the
>>>>> knowledge and ability to perform surgical abortion the only thing that
>>>>> separates us from our animal urges and the apes we evolved from?
>>>>> Religious, Christian, Atheist, or Pagan; view videos and pictures of a
>>>>> "partial birth abortion"-- which the legal rights of the mother to
>>>>> choose, Clinton initially fought to try to preserve and even a
>>>>> civilized
>>>>> atheist would exclaim OH MY F'ing GOD and start thinking
>>>>> differently...even if they'd never admit it openly and risk
>>>>> contradicting
>>>>> their publicly espoused views. Each draws his line of good conscience
>>>>> to justify acts past, present, or future in his or her own life (or
>>>>> afterlife) - not to protect the legal reproductive rights of every
>>>>> random
>>>>> Jane Doe. Let's look in the mirror and stop lying to ourselves and
>>>>> each
>>>>> other here. (not a fact....just a thought) Todd T
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner"
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists" are
>>>>> going to save us from the Republicans
>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:54:12 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>> You state as fact:
>>>>> "... the individual's religious belifs (sic) involve yet another
>>>>> individual."
>>>>>
>>>>> You conclude:
>>>>> "You are advocating that a woman be allowed to kill another living
>>>>> human
>>>>> based on HER religious beliefs, not those of that living human."
>>>>>
>>>>> The "fact" is actually your opinion according to your religious
>>>>> beliefs that
>>>>> this is another human being. You then employ your religious beliefs
>>>>> to
>>>>> close the argument in restating the premise "... of that living
>>>>> human."
>>>>> There is no logic to the argument. It is so only because you say it
>>>>> is so,
>>>>> and that is according to your religious beliefs. This is circular, at
>>>>> best.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that you can do better ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>>>>> 2008 3:06 PM
>>>>> > Resent away Michael, but what did I "present as fact"?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And, beliefs aside, my reasoning is not "circular". I believe very
>>>>> much
>>>>> > in an individual's right to decide for themselves what they will
>>>>> and
>>>>> > will not do. However, when that decision directly affects another,
>>>>> > especially the life of another, than it is not the one individual's
>>>>> > choice to make.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>>> >> Herb,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It always amazes me that you have no problem putting your beliefs
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> opinions in the form of fact in your arguments. The interesting
>>>>> thing is
>>>>> >> that the more I agree with the basic principles of these
>>>>> discussions, the
>>>>> >> more I resent your reasoning. While we may reach the same
>>>>> conclusion, the
>>>>> >> paths are significantly diverse.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> My opinions and beliefs aside, I think that in order to state "I
>>>>> would
>>>>> >> agree, except in this case, the individual's religious belifs
>>>>> (sic) involve
>>>>> >> yet another individual," one must employ circular reasoning, thus
>>>>> defeating
>>>>> >> the value of the statement.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" Sent: Tuesday, September 09,
>>>>> >> 2008 1:58 PM
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I would agree, except in this case, the individual's religious
>>>>> belifs
>>>>> >>> involve yet another individual. You are advocating that a woman
>>>>> be
>>>>> >>> allowed to kill another living human based on HER religious
>>>>> beliefs, not
>>>>> >>> those of that living human.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Herb,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Well, here you go my friend. War is a terrible analogy.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> IF we are going to have freedom OF religion, which would also
>>>>> include
>>>>> >>>> freedom FROM religion and the abortion issue is mostly decided
>>>>> on a
>>>>> >>>> religious (or non-religious, choice again) basis, it is not our
>>>>> place to
>>>>> >>>> expect anyone else to assume our religious beliefs.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Which leads us right back to; the gov't should have no voice in
>>>>> this at
>>>>> >>>> all.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Rik
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> I like your honest assessment on Palin, but I disagree about
>>>>> your
>>>>> >>>>> labeling of the position.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> If I say I'm not going to fight in a war, but it's OK if my
>>>>> government
>>>>> >>>>> attacks another, am I anti-war, or pro-war?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Obviously, you'll not have an abortion, that would mean a male
>>>>> could be
>>>>> >>>>> neither pro or anti; however, anyone that believes the issue
>>>>> does not
>>>>> >>>>> affect me is wearing blinders.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Herb,
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. Palin claims no more religiousity (is that a word,
>>>>> sounds good)
>>>>> >>>>>> than either of the other three candidates involved. She has
>>>>> also shown
>>>>> >>>>>> that she can govern without forcing forcing those beliefs on
>>>>> her
>>>>> >>>>>> constituents.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On the abortion issue: Yep, she's against them, for her. So am
>>>>> I, for
>>>>> >>>>>> me. I am pro-choice. People just can't seem to get a handle on
>>>>> the idea
>>>>> >>>>>> that pro-choice doesn't mean anti or pro abortion. It means
>>>>> you should
>>>>> >>>>>> be able to make your own choice and let others make theirs,
>>>>> ie, mind
>>>>> >>>>>> your own business.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> From what I've seen Palin, as governor of Alaska has been
>>>>> doing this
>>>>> >>>>>> too.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> If I had my way, the federal gov't wouldn't be involved in
>>>>> abortion at
>>>>> >>>>>> all.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Rik
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe that
>>>>> Palin
>>>>> >>>>>>> would force her religious belief on anyone? My understanding
>>>>> is that
>>>>> >>>>>>> she's all for allowing the individual states to set the
>>>>> standard.
>>>>> >>>>>>> However, that's really beside the point. As you said,
>>>>> anyone's
>>>>> >>>>>>> pinpoint
>>>>> >>>>>>> of the exact time is a "religious" matter, or a matter of
>>>>> fath, thus
>>>>> >>>>>>> ANYONE setting pinpointed time would be them foisting their
>>>>> beliefs on
>>>>> >>>>>>> others.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Surely you're not advocating allowing the parents to decide
>>>>> at any
>>>>> >>>>>>> time
>>>>> >>>>>>> they choose, up to and including while the "fetus" is still
>>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>> college?
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> stan wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a member of your religious faith, and an ardent fan, if
>>>>> you really
>>>>> >>>>>>>> plan
>>>>> >>>>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose direct
>>>>> religious
>>>>> >>>>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of our wealth and
>>>>> blood) I
>>>>> >>>>>>>> would be
>>>>> >>>>>>>> truly saddened. I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's
>>>>> >>>>>>>> inability to
>>>>> >>>>>>>> live up to their own family values, relying on their gods to
>>>>> forgive
>>>>> >>>>>>>> them -
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be
>>>>> forbidden to
>>>>> >>>>>>>> address.
>>>>> >>>>>>>> John's cheek is not like that from his prisoner days and his
>>>>> vp could
>>>>> >>>>>>>> be our
>>>>> >>>>>>>> leader without notice. Then where would this country's
>>>>> founding
>>>>> >>>>>>>> desire for
>>>>> >>>>>>>> religious freedom end up? The first example is already on
>>>>> the table
>>>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right: When life starts is a religious
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> >>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>> should not be one decided by government. You may feel life
>>>>> does not
>>>>> >>>>>>>> start
>>>>> >>>>>>>> until a breath is taken, the Jews count a number of months
>>>>> before the
>>>>> >>>>>>>> start,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin
>>>>> dividing.
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally I
>>>>> >>>>>>>> don't think it starts until after college. If we allow a
>>>>> Palin to
>>>>> >>>>>>>> call such
>>>>> >>>>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson and all those other smart
>>>>> guys
>>>>> >>>>>>>> insisted on
>>>>> >>>>>>>> avoiding. McCain told the TV interviewer that if he had his
>>>>> way the
>>>>> >>>>>>>> first
>>>>> >>>>>>>> judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the
>>>>> list of
>>>>> >>>>>>>> her
>>>>> >>>>>>>> kind. Once this is allowed to start (we already have allowed
>>>>> god
>>>>> >>>>>>>> onto our
>>>>> >>>>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we will
>>>>> all,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> eventually,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> become strong advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would
>>>>> probably
>>>>> >>>>>>>> revert to
>>>>> >>>>>>>> many of his reasonable positions. It is Palin I am fearful
>>>>> will give
>>>>> >>>>>>>> us
>>>>> >>>>>>>> even worse than another 8 years. (And this from a confessed
>>>>> >>>>>>>> womanizer.)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> stan/ec
>>>>> >>>>>>>> .
>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,the
>>>>> "evolutionists" are
>>>>> >>>>>>>> going to
>>>>> >>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Todd,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I think Palin's a religious kook. And
>>>>> you're
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right, I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook. I haven't studied Darwin
>>>>> very much
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> applaud your research and quotes) but I don't think that's
>>>>> the only
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rebuke
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to creationism. Since most of the species of plant and
>>>>> animal life
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that "unintelligent
>>>>> design."
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You said there are only two possibilities as to how life
>>>>> started.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sure? How do you know this? What I know is that all
>>>>> religions
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> serve in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> answering three questions: Where did we come from, how do
>>>>> we live
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> happens when we die? Myself, I've answered those questions
>>>>> to my
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> own
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell me
>>>>> anything.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Todd Tavares
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Slim, Wow! are you are going to vote for Obama because he
>>>>> is a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> or not vote for McCain just because Palin is a religious
>>>>> extremist?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Glad you mentioned carbon dating. Carbon has been proven
>>>>> by many
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method of dating. I
>>>>> am far
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> being a scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth
>>>>> is only
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is just as much
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> information out there to; while not proving creation is
>>>>> the truth,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not impossible. You
>>>>> are/were an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> educator and were taught evolution from a text book, like
>>>>> we all
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> were.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just because you read something in a text book does not
>>>>> make it
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could
>>>>> all
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> creationism if we called it a theory too. After all that
>>>>> is what
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There are equally
>>>>> as many
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> scientists out there who believe they have proven
>>>>> evolution is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> myth. It
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway. He thought he could
>>>>> further
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose from non life and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sprang from a common ancestor. Modern scientists say it
>>>>> was that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of "primordial
>>>>> ooze." I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> like how
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put it:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "There are only two possibilities as to how life arose;
>>>>> one is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is
>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> creative act of God, there is no third possibility.
>>>>> Spontaneous
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> generation that life arose from non-living matter was
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That
>>>>> leaves us
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a
>>>>> creative act of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> will not accept that philosophically because I do not want
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> scientifically
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of
>>>>> Biology at
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But the most interesting fact is that even Darwin himself
>>>>> realized
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> evolution was not workable.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable
>>>>> contrivances for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting
>>>>> different
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and
>>>>> chromatic
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems,
>>>>> I freely
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree possible." (Charles
>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural selection")
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ
>>>>> existed which
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive,
>>>>> slight
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
>>>>> (Charles
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The Origin of Species")
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked
>>>>> myself
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles
>>>>> Darwin, Life
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and
>>>>> scientists
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> try to "prove" evolution wrong or creation right. I could
>>>>> "do my
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual
>>>>> findings, but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> is not necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of
>>>>> God or some
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Designer makes it easier to accept our notions
>>>>> that it
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> is ok
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to be a homosexual (and not allow me a choice when the
>>>>> schools
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> teach this
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to learn about
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> theory of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it should be a
>>>>> crime to kill
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill an unborn baby. Not to say everyone
>>>>> believing
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made
>>>>> me see
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> this as
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a hinge factor in how I will vote....real issues aside.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Todd T
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Besides, it is not very PC to say we evolved (were
>>>>> "selected") from
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> apes.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not selected to be
>>>>> made to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inferior.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the Republicans
>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> save us from the Republicans
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17 -0500
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>>>>> religious
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> beliefs."
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I require that the candidates be sane, critical
>>>>> thinkers.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Palin is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> obviously not. I wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic
>>>>> or a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lutheran
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here's a woman who wants to stare down the whole
>>>>> scientific
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> community and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> deny things like carbon 14 dating and declare that the
>>>>> heavens and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only a few thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> extremist, did
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Brad, you left out the part of Kroon saying that his
>>>>> parishioners
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pray for the completion of the pipeline because at the end
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> world,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> folks will flock to Alaska as their final refuge.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can't believe that was you quoting all that God stuff.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties."
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for
>>>>> religious
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> separating her
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She vetoed a bill that
>>>>> would
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> denied benefits to gay couples.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or
>>>>> make up)
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on her.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a
>>>>> deal breaker
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious extremism cannot be tolerated.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The most important legacy the president leaves is the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> appointment of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> supreme court.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might appoint as many as three. If
>>>>> Sarabaracuda
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat
>>>>> hanger
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> abortions.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's funny that the candidate that was
>>>>> considered as a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is
>>>>> now being
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> touted as
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may
>>>>> find
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact
>>>>> that's
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors are beginning to show.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed,
>>>>> there is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to boot.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears
>>>>> overseas.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RNC,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They
>>>>> know it's a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> failed
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration. Where were the solutions. Once again,
>>>>> they are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather
>>>>> than an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA",
>>>>> McCain is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate and stated that he will end the incredible
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed policies. John McCain has
>>>>> re-defined
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues
>>>>> within the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years including his own authored bill that he was for
>>>>> and now
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument
>>>>> of Palin
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time. The entire
>>>>> Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be argued to be the most
>>>>> experienced
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the history of the White House. A huge amount of
>>>>> prior
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "executive
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For the first time in recent politics
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power in the white house, judicial, house and senate.
>>>>> How was
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our
>>>>> butts, but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's
>>>>> really gone
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead,
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisting
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to "sell" us a war on a country that did
>>>>> not
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the
>>>>> shredding of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin we now we get to have
>>>>> another
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> kook
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy the so-called conservative extremist
>>>>> religious right
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'bridge'
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them into this administration and get money.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and
>>>>> kissing
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet at this time is a conservative value?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these
>>>>> extremists
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they and the republicans are the vanguards of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservatism?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top key pillars of conservatism are less government
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> intrusion
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fiscal responsibility. The only administration
>>>>> that walked
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion
>>>>> dollar
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surplus.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And
>>>>> there is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> greater
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government intrusion that being told what you can or
>>>>> cannot do
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> with or
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family
>>>>> decisions,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to legislate publicly what you should do with yours.
>>>>> No
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino-2 wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Dear Culture Warriors;
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So....are we having fun yet?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for
>>>>> stepping up to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> join
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's
>>>>> fire is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among more than one target.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"
>>>>> Stillwell,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "illegitimi
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non carborundum".
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up.
>>>>> I posted
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only because I saw Tootle's post that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody supporting Obama was either a
>>>>> marxist, or a
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> farm
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did he expect when he said that?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your outrage that Tootle would refer
>>>>> to some
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama
>>>>> or McCain
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be right or wrong, but if we debate
>>>>> policy
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar"
>>>>> could be an
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several
>>>>> grounds.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was provoked. Second, he was defending ME.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny. Calling someone a "marxist" as
>>>>> Tootle
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind. Surely you see the difference.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some
>>>>> people
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim noted),
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument supporting any position. For
>>>>> example, Herb,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in
>>>>> part for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research
>>>>> and so I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not
>>>>> hyperbole to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the policy differences that explain my choice. What
>>>>> I know
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do
>>>>> with it. I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned
>>>>> and am
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'
>>>>> repeated
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mantra
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know I have "done my homework".
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enough for today. The games will be on soon.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands, NJ
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