[Rhodes22-list] Brad, now my turn:

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Thu Sep 11 10:01:19 EDT 2008


Rummy,

Along those lines, who looks better on a bike?

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/09/all-you-need-to-know.html

Brad

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:17 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> Stan,
> In case your eyeglasses are a little foggy this morning, she has cute perky
> breasts.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:01:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> stan at rhodes22.com writes:
>
>
> Brad,
>
> now my turn:  tell me how she  differs from George.
>
> something? - anything?
>
> ss
>
> -----  Original Message -----
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> To: "The  Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday,  September 09, 2008 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the  "evolutionists" are going to
> save us from the Republicans
>
>
>>  something? -  anything?
>>
>> He won his BW.
>>
>>  ss
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb  Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008  3:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus, the "evolutionists"  are going
>> to save us from the Republicans
>>
>>
>>>  Brad my friend, you're missing the obvious. As Slim so masterfully ,  the
>>> "I won't vote for a religious kook" (or actually, insert any  label you
>>> choose there) REALLY means they're looking for an excuse  not to vote for
>>> the person, and the "label" doesn't apply if the  "labled" is from the
>>> left.
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett  wrote:
>>>> Stan,
>>>>
>>>> In the jargon of  fighter pilots, "this is a target rich environment".
>>>> So I pick  you as the target among the many threads to begin the  fight.
>>>>  Who is the most devoutly religious person  currently elected to
>>>> office? I don't know either but I'm  guessing Senator Lieberman.  When
>>>> he was the VP candidate  with Gore in 2000 did we hear the constant
>>>> refrain of: "If  Gore takes the Whitehouse, and he gets stomped by a
>>>> big  'carbon footprint', Uncle Joe will outlaw BBQ pork sandwiches  for
>>>> life!"  No, no one gave a shit.  The current  conversation is much to
>>>> do about nothing.  Let's get back  to "what exactly did Obama ever do
>>>> at any point in his life  but complain about his or someone else's
>>>> treatment?"   Short of running for something, what has he  accomplished?
>>>>  Something,  anything!
>>>>
>>>>  Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at  8:26 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Slim,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a member of your religious  faith, and an ardent fan, if you really
>>>>>  plan
>>>>> to skip voting (in effect voting for those whose  direct religious
>>>>> instructions got us into such a waste of  our wealth and blood) I would
>>>>> be
>>>>>  truly saddened.   I don't think poorly of John's and Palin's  inability
>>>>> to
>>>>> live up to their own  family values, relying on their gods to forgive
>>>>> them  -
>>>>> I worry about their health; a topic that seems to be  forbidden to
>>>>> address.
>>>>> John's cheek is  not like that from his prisoner days and his vp could
>>>>> be  our
>>>>> leader without notice.  Then where would this  country's founding desire
>>>>> for
>>>>>  religious freedom end up?  The first example is already on the table
>>>>> and
>>>>> Catholic Joe has it right:   When life starts is a religious opinion and
>>>>> should not be  one decided by government.   You may feel life does not
>>>>> start
>>>>> until a breath is taken, the  Jews count a number of months before the
>>>>>  start,
>>>>> the Christens count from the moment the cells begin  dividing.
>>>>> Personally I
>>>>> don't think it  starts until after college.  If we allow a Palin to call
>
>>>>> such
>>>>> shots we are on a path Jefferson  and all those other smart guys
>>>>> insisted  on
>>>>> avoiding.   McCain told the TV interviewer  that if he had his way the
>>>>> first
>>>>>  judge he would get rid of is Ginsberg and than went down the list of
>>>>> her
>>>>> kind.   Once this is  allowed to start (we already have allowed god onto
>>>>>  our
>>>>> coins), god (hypocritically speaking) help us - or we  will all,
>>>>> eventually,
>>>>> become strong  advocates of the second amendment.
>>>>>
>>>>>  John, at least is a flip flopper so, if elected, would probably revert
>>>>> to
>>>>> many of his reasonable  positions.  It is Palin I am fearful will give
>>>>>  us
>>>>> even worse than another 8 years.  (And this from a  confessed
>>>>>  womanizer.)
>>>>>
>>>>>  stan/ec
>>>>>  .
>>>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>>>> From: "Steven Alm"  <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday,  September 09, 2008 2:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Praise Jesus,the "evolutionists" are going
>>>>>  to
>>>>> save us from the  Republicans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Todd,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm an atheist and I  think Palin's a religious kook.  And you're
>>>>>>  right, I
>>>>>> won't vote for a religious kook.  I  haven't studied Darwin very much
>>>>>>  (and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> applaud your research  and quotes) but I don't think that's the only
>>>>>>  rebuke
>>>>>> to creationism.  Since most of the species  of plant and animal life on
>>>>>>  this
>>>>>> earth are in fact extinct, I'd call that  "unintelligent design."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You  said there are only two possibilities as to how life started.  Are
>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> sure?  How do you  know this?  What I know is that all religions serve
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> answering three  questions:  Where did we come from, how do we live  and
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> happens when we  die?  Myself, I've answered those questions to my  own
>>>>>> satisfaction and I don't need the church to tell  me anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at  5:32 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Slim, Wow!  are you are going to vote for Obama because he is a
>>>>>>> Marxist
>>>>>>> or not vote  for McCain just because Palin is a religious extremist?
>>>>>>> :^D
>>>>>>> Glad you  mentioned carbon dating.  Carbon has been proven by  many
>>>>>>> scientists to be a wholly inaccurate method  of dating.  I am far from
>>>>>>> being a  scientist...or a religious kook thinking the earth is only  a
>>>>>>> couple of thousand of years old, but there is  just as much scientific
>>>>>>> information out there to;  while not proving creation is the truth,
>>>>>>>  surely
>>>>>>> proves evolution is improbable if not  impossible.  You are/were an
>>>>>>> educator and  were taught evolution from a text book, like we all
>>>>>>> were.
>>>>>>> Just because  you read something in a text book does not make it
>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>  http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/ Maybe we could all
>>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>> creationism  if we called it a theory too. After all that is  what
>>>>>>> evolution is...just an unproven theory. There  are equally as many
>>>>>>> scientists out there who  believe they have proven evolution is myth.
>>>>>>>  It
>>>>>>> was not Darwin's brainstorm anyway.  He  thought he could further
>>>>>>>  explain
>>>>>>> a centuries old belief; that life arose  from non life and everything
>>>>>>> sprang from a common  ancestor. Modern scientists say it was that
>>>>>>>  first
>>>>>>> amino acid or protein chain in the pool of  "primordial ooze."  I like
>>>>>>>  how
>>>>>>> one Nobel prize winner (Biology 1967?) put  it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There are only  two possibilities as to how life arose; one is
>>>>>>>  spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a
>>>>>>> supernatural
>>>>>>> creative  act of God, there is no third possibility.  Spontaneous
>>>>>>> generation that life arose from  non-living matter was scientifically
>>>>>>> disproved 120  years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> only one  possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of
>>>>>>> God. I
>>>>>>> will not  accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe
>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> God, therefore I  choose to believe in that which I know is
>>>>>>>  scientifically
>>>>>>> impossible, spontaneous generation  arising to evolution."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at  the
>>>>>>> University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in  Biology.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the most  interesting fact is that even Darwin himself  realized
>>>>>>> evolution was not  workable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "To suppose  that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances  for
>>>>>>> adjusting the focus to different distances,  for admitting different
>>>>>>> amounts of light, and for  the correction of spherical and chromatic
>>>>>>>  aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I  freely
>>>>>>> confess, absurd in the highest degree  possible." (Charles Darwin,
>>>>>>>  "The
>>>>>>> origin of species by means of natural  selection")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If it  could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> not possibly  have been formed by numerous, successive, slight
>>>>>>>  modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."  (Charles
>>>>>>> Darwin,
>>>>>>> "The Origin  of Species")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Often a  cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> I may have  not devoted myself to a fantasy."  (Charles Darwin, Life
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Letters, 1887,  Vol. 2, p. 229)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I  could post a few hundred quotes from noted doctors and scientists
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> try to "prove"  evolution wrong or creation right. I could "do my
>>>>>>>  homework" as we say here on the list and cite actual findings, but
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is not  necessary. Because to dismiss the possibility of God or some
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> Intelligent  Designer makes it easier to accept our notions that it is
>
>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>> to be a homosexual  (and not allow me a choice when the schools teach
>>>>>>>  this
>>>>>>> gargage to my kids while denying the right to  learn about the theory
>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>> creation along with evolution) or that it  should be a crime to kill a
>>>>>>> tree, but ok to kill  an unborn baby. Not to say everyone believing in
>>>>>>>  evolution is an athiest (or a Democrat), but you have made me see
>>>>>>> this as
>>>>>>> a hinge  factor in how I will vote....real issues  aside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Todd  T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, it is not  very PC to say we evolved (were "selected") from
>>>>>>>  apes.
>>>>>>> We don't want any of the apes that were not  selected to be made to
>>>>>>>  feel
>>>>>>>  inferior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Steven  Alm"
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List"
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Praise Jesus,  the Republicans are going
>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>> save us from the  Republicans
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:11:17  -0500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>  beliefs."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I  require that the candidates be sane, critical thinkers. Palin
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> obviously not. I  wouldn't say that if she were a Catholic or a
>>>>>>>  Lutheran
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> here's a  woman who wants to stare down the whole scientific community
>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> deny things like  carbon 14 dating and declare that the heavens and
>>>>>>>  earth
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> only a few  thousand years old. You didn't just call ME an extremist,
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>  you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad, you left  out the part of Kroon saying that his parishioners
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> pray for the  completion of the pipeline because at the end of the
>>>>>>> world,
>>>>>>> folks will  flock to Alaska as their final  refuge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't  believe that was you quoting all that God  stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8,  2008 at 12:18 PM, Steven Alm  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "She's already demonstrated that she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> personal  beliefs from her  duties."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have  to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Herb Parsons  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Ahh, so the "tolerant" lefty has a litmus test for religious
>>>>>>>>>  beliefs.
>>>>>>>>> She's already demonstrated that  she is fully capable of separating
>>>>>>>>>  her
>>>>>>>>> personal beliefs from her duties. She  vetoed a bill that would have
>>>>>>>>> denied  benefits to gay  couples.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  But, you extremists keep it up, I'm sure you'll find (or make  up)
>>>>>>>>> SOMETHING on  her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Steven Alm  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  She's a creationist. Her Assembly of God stuff is a deal breaker
>>>>>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Religious extremism cannot be  tolerated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  The most important legacy the president leaves is the appointment
>>>>>>>>>>  of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  supreme court.
>>>>>>>>>> The next pres might  appoint as many as three. If Sarabaracuda  has
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  her
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  way,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  say goodbye to Roe V. Wade and hello to back-ally coat  hanger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  abortions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Slim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Herb  Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I think it's funny that the candidate that was considered as  a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  running
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  mate for the Democratic choice a few years back, is now  being
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  touted  as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  "more of the same". Keep trying though, you guys may find
>>>>>>>>>>>  something
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  works.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  What exactly makes Palin a "religious kook", that fact that's  she
>>>>>>>>>>> religious? I think your colors  are beginning to  show.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  petelargo  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ben, thanks for your post. As you may have noticed, there is  no
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  dialogue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  the right-wing extremists. You are wrong, end of discussion  and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  idiot to  boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  When John McCain won the nomination, Bush disappears overseas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  At
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  RNC,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  no Bush, no Cheney (and no mention of them). They know it's  a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  failed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  administration. Where were the solutions. Once again, they  are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  trying
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  frame the campaign as an ideology argument rather than an  issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Today on Face the Nation, "Sis Cum Ba and WHA-LAA", McCain is
>>>>>>>>>>>>  now
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  change
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  candidate and stated that he will end the incredible corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>>  in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington and the failed  policies. John McCain has re-defined  a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  whole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  new
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  level of flip-flopping on over two dozen key issues within  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  last
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  eight
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  years including his own authored bill that he was for and  now
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  against.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  I couldn't give a poop about the experience argument of Palin  vs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Obama.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  It's
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  a waste of time. The entire Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice-Rove,  etc
>>>>>>>>>>>> administration could be  argued to be the most  experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  administration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  the history of the White House. A huge amount of prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>  "executive
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience". For  the first time in recent politics the
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  had
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  power in the white house, judicial, house and senate. How was  it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  It's one thing to drive a tractor trailer up our butts, but  when
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  start
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  blowing on the horn while there're doing it, it's really gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>  too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  A big thank you for the memories: the debt, the dead, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>  twisting
>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence to  "sell" us a war on a country that did not  attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  us,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  good ol boy ineffectual cronyism, and finally the shredding of
>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution. With Palin  we now we get to have another  religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  kook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  satisfy the so-called conservative extremist religious right  to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  'bridge'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  them into this administration and get  money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Spending 5-10 billion dollars a month on Iraq and kissing
>>>>>>>>>>>>  chinese
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  (borrowing the money) of the most Marxist suppressive  government
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  planet at this time is a conservative  value?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Finally, the biggest hypocrisy of all . That these  extremists
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  actually
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  think
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  that they and the republicans are the vanguards of  conservatism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  top key pillars of conservatism are less government and
>>>>>>>>>>>>  government
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  intrusion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  and fiscal responsibility. The only administration that  walked
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  talk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  50 years was a Democrat that left Bush a 500 billion  dollar
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  surplus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  He
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  blew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  threw that in one year and it was prior to 9-11. And there is  no
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  greater
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  government intrusion that being told what you can or cannot  do
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  with  or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  put
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  into your body. Palin wants privacy for her family decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>  but
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  she
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  wants
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  to legislate publicly what you should do with yours. No  thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ben Cittadino-2  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  My Dear Culture  Warriors;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  So....are we having fun  yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  First, I'd like to thank Richard and Slim for stepping up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  join
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  "Assault on the Citadel".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The bullets don't sting as much when the adversary's fire  is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  spread
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  among more than one  target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the words first  uttered by Gen. "Vinegar Joe"  Stillwell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  "illegitimi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  non  carborundum".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  As for Tootle, Brad, and Herb, you guys crack me up. I  posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  only because I saw Tootle's post  that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested anybody  supporting Obama was either a marxist, or  a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  farm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  What did he expect when he said  that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, where was your  outrage that Tootle would refer to some  of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  his
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  fellow
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  "Rhodies" in such derogatry terms? Supporting Obama or  McCain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may turn out to be  right or wrong, but if we debate policy  and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  don't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  engage in mere name-calling this "sailor's bar" could be  an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  interesting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Richard's "geezer" remarks are defensible on several  grounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  First,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  he
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  was provoked. Second, he was defending  ME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, it was funny.  Calling someone a "marxist" as Tootle did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  several
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  magnitudes worse than gentle kidding of  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "old fart" kind.  Surely you see the  difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The positions I tried to lay out as reasons some people  support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Obama
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  were
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  intended as an outline of ideology (as Slim  noted),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an argument  supporting any position. For example, Herb,  you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pro-life and will probably vote for McCain/Palin in part for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I am pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem cell research and so I  will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  support
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Obama/Biden in part for that reason. It is not hyperbole to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the policy differences that explain my choice. What I know  for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  sure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that marxism and "sheepiness" have nothing to do with it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  thought
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  about all of my positions on the issues I mentioned and  am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  completely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  prepared to explain and justify them. In Brad's oft'  repeated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  mantra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  know I have "done my  homework".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Enough for today. The games will be on  soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ben C. , s/v Susan Kay, Highlands,  NJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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