[Rhodes22-list] anchoring
Luis Guzman
trpclman at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 15 15:39:25 EDT 2008
Elle,
In my case, the bottom is pretty much the same in the places that I frequent. So 1 anchor type is enough for me.
I do have 2 different size Danforth anchors and 1 small mushroom anchor aboard.
Luis
S/V Miracle
----- Original Message ----
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 3:18:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> Now, the difficult part is to have the appropriate anchor
> for the type of bottom where you are going to be anchoring.
And so we return to our starting point...;^)
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Luis Guzman <trpclman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Luis Guzman <trpclman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 2:46 PM
> I do not have the experience that everybody else has in this
> list, but here is what I think:
>
> The anchor should not be used to stop the boat's
> motion, but to keep it from moving. If you are sailing to
> your anchoring position, you should put her in irons before
> throwing the anchor overboard. If you are motoring, I would
> still point into the wind and put the motor in reverse to
> stop the forward motion.
>
> I think that both the size of the anchor and the anchor
> rode has to do with the size of the boat. The bigger the
> boat, the more surface area exposed to the wind and/or
> currents, so the more force is going to be exerted upon it.
> The bigger the anchor, the more holding power it has.
>
> Now, the difficult part is to have the appropriate anchor
> for the type of bottom where you are going to be anchoring.
>
> Luis
> S/V Miracle
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:24:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>
> Bill,
>
> You bring up some interesting points:
>
> > No matter what they weigh, all boats float.
> Well, maybe not all, but then it wouldn't be a boat
> (anymore.) Just look at
> some of the heartbreaking photos from Houston.
>
> > If weight were the factor, the size of a
> battleship anchor
> > in proportion to it's weight would be
> substantially less
> > than the size anchor most people carry on their
> Rhodes 22s.
> Look at the inertia required to start or stop the motion of
> the boat.
> The weight (mass) must be a factor since anchors are used
> both to
> maintain position as well as arrest motion. If you want
> to stop a
> battleship, you had better use a strong anchor rode to take
> the force
> when the anchor sets.
>
> > Someone recently told me that if you take away
> wind and
> > current, a 25 lb Fortress anchor will hold an
> aircraft carrier.
> If you take away wind and current then why does one need an
> anchor,
> except when stopping motion in close quarters? One does
> not need
> to set the parking brake in a large truck if it was parked
> perfectly level.
>
> I, too, use a large mushroom anchor (250 lbs.) Remember,
> a mushroom
> requires time to "set" as it digs in to a sand or
> mud bottom and must be in
> the water a couple of weeks prior to using. When they are
> dropped, they dig
> in by swinging side to side as the buoy pulls with tide and
> current changes,
> finally digging in 3-4'.
>
> Mushrooms move in our mooring field during hurricanes
> usually as a result of
> tidal surge. My mushroom is secured with 30' of
> 1/2" chain to the floating
> buoy through a swivel in about 18' of water at high
> tide. Hurricane Bob
> (1991) was the last to move boats in my mooring field.
> While the storm was
> not particularly strong, the surge brought the boats to
> 15' above high tide
> and loosened many mushrooms enough for the boats to drag
> them. My rub rail
> still bears the scars of other boats that were caught by my
> R22 when my
> mushroom held.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>Sent:
> Monday, September 15, 2008 11:47
> AM
> > Peter,
> >
> > What difference do think the weight of a boat implies
> for the size of
> > the anchor?
> >
> > I would imagine windage is the factor.
> >
> > No matter what they weigh, all boats float.
> >
> > If weight were the factor, the size of a battleship
> anchor in proportion
> > to it's weight would be substantially less than
> the size anchor most
> > people carry on their Rhodes 22s.
> >
> > Someone recently told me that if you take away wind
> and current, a 25 lb
> > Fortress anchor will hold an aircraft carrier.
> >
> > I've never tried it, though.
> >
> > As I've often mentioned, a 2 1/2 lb Fortress
> Guardian is my go-to
> > anchor. I set it from the stern, and walk it
> forward. Once properly
> > set, it is extremely difficult to dislodge until you
> get almost directly
> > above it. There is never enough windage on my boat
> to deform the
> > anchor, part the line, challenge the shackle.
> >
> > My boat is moored on a 300 lb mushroom anchor as are
> virtually all of
> > the boats in the cove where I keep my boat. (There
> are hundreds.)
> >
> > The cove has been hit by strong winds from time to
> time, but few move
> > from their moorings. The biggest fear of damage is
> from other boats
> > coming loose, and debris.
> >
> > The entire fleet swings on individual anchors.
> Anchoring bow and stern
> > puts you broadside to the wind with enormous stress on
> the anchoring
> > system if the wind is shifting. Mushroom anchors are
> just as strong in
> > 360 degrees, and you expose your boat to the least
> stress.
> >
> > If I had the problem of moving my boat under storm
> conditions I would
> > try to rig up an air bag on a mushroom anchor so I
> could tow it to the
> > place I wanted to set my boat, release the air, and
> sit on the single
> > mushroom.
> >
> > When your boat is floating freely and always facing
> the wind there is no
> > chafing problem to speak of, and while the wind
> creates uncomfortable
> > creaking in all of the boats, the mechanical stress on
> the components
> > seems negligible. I put a canvas chafe guard on my
> bow line where it
> > goes over the edge of the boat (no chock). I have
> not had to replace
> > the chafe guard in 10 years of use.
> >
> > Most wind damage around here is done to boats on
> shore. The wind
> > topples one into the next. I suspect my boat is far
> safer in the water
> > than it is on land.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Thorn wrote:
> >> elle,
> >>
> >> Broad Creek in New Bern, where Blackbeard is
> located, is the best
> >> hurricane
> >> hole for miles around. When a surge is expected
> and boats must leave
> >> their
> >> docks, everybody around there seems to head for
> Broad Creek. It's about
> >> 15
> >> feet of water, then 10' of mud/muck bottom
> river bottom and then hard
> >> clay
> >> underneath, according to borings made for the
> seawall engineering design
> >> at
> >> our club.
> >>
> >> If a storm passes close by, the wind direction can
> shift greatly during
> >> the
> >> storm. This adds a different challenge to
> anchoring. Some anchors are
> >> very
> >> good at setting, like Delta plow, others are very
> good at holding in mud,
> >> like the Fortress with the 45 degree fluke
> settings. But, if broken
> >> loose
> >> during a storm while the wind direction is
> changing, a Fortress will more
> >> easily drag and is more difficult to reset.
> >>
> >> Different people do different things. One
> popular anchoring technique is
> >> the Bahamian, using two anchors at 45-180
> angles. Other experienced
> >> storm
> >> survivors here have used two anchors in series to
> cope with our special
> >> bottom conditions. Usually, coming from the
> direction of the boat, the
> >> first anchor is a Delta plow type with the usual
> nylon rode and chain.
> >> Then, they add about 30' of stainless cable
> and attach a Fortress or
> >> Danforth type. The idea is the Delta plow will
> quickly reset if the
> >> direction changes and slow down dragging long
> enough for the Fortress to
> >> also reset, dig in and hold on hard. A friend
> with a Gulfstar 37 has
> >> used
> >> this technique for ten years with great success in
> Broad Creek. His boat
> >> is
> >> heavy and I know he uses large sizes (not sure how
> large), but I think
> >> the
> >> same technique would work for a 3000# R22 with
> smaller ground tackle.
> >>
> >> Fortunately for Raven, two days before Hannah
> arrived I just hauled her
> >> home. This is a wonderful advantage of a
> trailerable. But it think it's
> >> always a good idea to be prepared for whatever the
> wind gods send us.
> >>
> >> May all your storms go the other way,
> >>
> >> PT
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of elle
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:21 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> >>
> >> Well; what a coincidence.....anchoring is on my
> mind.
> >>
> >> It seems that when Hanna was deciding where to
> rest her head, we decided
> >> to
> >> anchor the boats (mine & my neighbor's )
> in the creek...which is a
> >> well-protected hurrricane hole.
> >>
> >> The favored anchoring scheme is two anchors each
> set at about 45 deg off
> >> the
> >> bow. I have the (way too light) Danforth-style
> which comes with the boat
> >> &
> >> another 21lb Danforth, 200' of rode & @
> 8-10' of chain.
> >>
> >> Problem 1....how to anchor from the bow as the
> furling mechanism is in
> >> the
> >> way if we go out straight from the bow cleat....or
> have massive chafing
> >> if
> >> we run the rode outside of the bow pulpit...boat
> will then not be
> >> head-to-wind.....
> >>
> >> Problem 2...this creek has a thick layer of
> detritus..mainly
> >> leaves...coating the bottom....the heavy Danforth
> would not set w/all the
> >> junk, so a new anchor is in my future.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at a
> Delta as the CQR (my first
> >> choice) is 'way too much $$$$$.
> >>
> >> We ended up securing one end of the boat to a
> forward piling and the
> >> other
> >> to a tree on shore.
> >>
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> we can adjust our sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 6:27 PM
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> We must have beaten this topic to death
> several times in
> >>> the past. A quick
> >>> check of the nabble archives under
> "anchor
> >>> locker" yielded:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/anchor-locker---dumb-questions-to18156518.html#a181565
> >> 18
> >>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18071799.html#a18144554
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchor-rode-spaghetti-to18135271.html#a18135271
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/New-Guy-Bill-D.-tp7060395p7069009.html
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/Anchoring---Again-to5113633.html#a5113633
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/Go-To-Anchor-to2383036.html#a2383036
> >>>
> >>> You get the idea. Most of us seem to use a
> Rubbermaid
> >>> basket in the laz or
> >>> under a cockpit seat for the stern anchor,
> although I
> >>> prefer a bag hung on
> >>> the stern rail. I still use the forward
> locker for my bow
> >>> anchor rode
> >>> storage. I cleat it to the central foredeck
> cleat and pass
> >>> it through my
> >>> bow chocks.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>> From: "Paul Krawitz"
> >>> <krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> Sunday,
> >>> September
> >>> 14, 2008 5:53 PM
> >>>
> >>>> How do you guys anchor?
> >>>>
> >>>> The forepeak (tiny bow storage area) is an
> >>>>
> >>> impractical way to store
> >>>
> >>>> rode and the opening is to small for my
> big hands to
> >>>>
> >>> get in there.
> >>>
> >>>> I've resorted to storing the rode
> below the
> >>>>
> >>> cockpit benches, in a
> >>>
> >>>> Rubbermaid container, and walking it
> forward and
> >>>>
> >>> attaching it to the
> >>>
> >>>> Danforth anchor handing from the bow
> pulpit when I
> >>>>
> >>> need to.
> >>>
> >>>> Where do you cleat it? The central bow
> cleat?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm hoping someone has a better
> suggestion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul K
> >>>> "Clarity"
> >>>>
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