[Rhodes22-list] anchoring

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Sep 16 14:37:29 EDT 2008


BTW, I DO agree that dumping chain with no set is fruitless.

Bill Effros wrote:
> Herb,
>
> How long ago did you take the class?
>
> If you look at older West Marine catalogs they had diagrams of anchor 
> rode showing "catenary curves" in "taut" anchor rode explaining that the 
> weight of the chain pulled the anchor parallel to the bottom.  Then, one 
> year, they explained that their own diagrams were nonsense, and that the 
> anchors were designed to be pulled at a 45 degree angle to the bottom, 
> and that the notion of "scope" had no validity if the chain could change 
> the angle of pull.
>
> I just looked again.  The catenary curve diagrams and explanation are 
> gone.  But the chain lying on the bottom diagram is back, along with the 
> straight 45 degree angle of scope.
>
> The recommendation has changed from a flat 6 feet of chain, to 1 foot 
> per waterline foot, to the current recommendation of 65 feet of chain 
> tied to 200 feet of  rope.  
>
> The explanation varies from "bottom abrasion" to "Shorter scope."
>
> BUBBA MEISAS! (As Stan's Grandmother would say.)
>
> There is no bottom abrasion if your rode floats. -- It never hits the 
> bottom.  It never gets dirty except for picking up seaweed.
>
> Scope is scope.  The angle is the same whether it is chain or rope. 
>
> Dumping 65 feet of chain on a bottom just 8 feet below; never setting 
> your anchor, and then wandering around within a 150 foot circle unable 
> to determine if your anchor is set or dragging, makes no sense at all.
>
> If you don't have a windlass you don't use the anchor because it's too 
> difficult to retrieve and never reliably sets.
>
> Get a $100 2 1/2 lb. guardian.  Try it on an all rope rode.  Deploy it; 
> retrieve it; learn to flake the rode; store the whole shooting match 
> under the cockpit seat.  Then ask the CG guys to explain to you, again, 
> why they recommend what they recommend.
>
> BE
>
>
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>   
>> Bill will continue to say this is nonsense, and I'm not going to say 
>> he's wrong. I AM going to say I think he's wrong. The coast guard 
>> captain's class I took went over this, and disagrees with him. Sometimes 
>> CG folks continue to do things based on "tradition", but I think in this 
>> case, they knew what they were teaching.
>>
>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> You need chain if your anchor is so heavy you can't pull it up by hand.  
>>> Then you need a windlass.  The windlasses destroy rope -- they work best 
>>> on chain.  Everybody makes a lot of money by suggesting that you anchor 
>>> better if you have a chain rode, but that is nonsense, and the enormous 
>>> weight of the chain in the bow totally throws off the balance of boats.
>>>
>>> In the process, people start drawing diagrams and providing pseudo 
>>> scientific explanations that make absolutely no sense when you start to 
>>> think about them.
>>>
>>> Then somebody comes up with the 22 feet of chain on the 22 foot boat 
>>> rode rule.  Which also makes absolutely no sense.
>>>
>>> A modern anchor is not like a cinderblock or an engine block.  It does 
>>> not just sit on the bottom, it digs in like a railroad spike, and is 
>>> designed so it can be easily released by changing the angle of the rode 
>>> from the surface.  Adding weight does not help it in any way.  Modern 
>>> anchors are designed to be  pulled at specific angles -- mostly around 
>>> 45 degrees -- which is what the 7:1 scope accomplishes.  Chain sitting 
>>> on the bottom defeats the angle of the scope relative to the anchor.  It 
>>> is counter-productive.
>>>
>>> If you want more weight on your anchor, get a heavier anchor.  But there 
>>> is no need to do so.  A 2 1/2 lb guardian anchor, properly set, will 
>>> hold you in place forever.  Your rope rode will withstand far more load 
>>> than the fittings on your boat. 
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>> Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>   
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>>>       
>>>> Bill,
>>>> So why does everyone (well, most everyone) suggest using chain on the
>>>> rode? - rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:59 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> In order to set the anchor you must put tension on it.  This pulls the 
>>>> rode taut.  When there is no wind or current, the rode will lie flat on 
>>>> the bottom, or float to the surface if it is a floating rode.  But it is
>>>>
>>>> not holding the boat in place.
>>>>
>>>> What most people call "dragging the anchor" is usually "dragging the 
>>>> chain".  If you fail to set your anchor -- which you will fail to set 
>>>> properly if you never draw the rode taut -- you can drag the chain all 
>>>> over the place, without ever properly setting the anchor.  If you draw 
>>>> the rode taut and properly set the anchor it just won't drag. 
>>>>
>>>> A very small anchor can be used to hold a very large boat in place if 
>>>> the anchor is properly set.  It is much easier to set an anchor with an 
>>>> all rope rode.  The chain portion of the rode does not change the angle 
>>>> of pull.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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