[Rhodes22-list] Was Pointing Problem/ Now whisker pole recommendation.
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Wed Sep 24 09:25:35 EDT 2008
Lee,
You have the right idea. Never try to do anything to difficult on the Rhodes
unless you have had sufficient lubricant to ease the brain pain. What works
well for one sailor won't necessarily work for another. Trial and error my
friend.
Rummy
In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:12:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
Rummy, Mary Lou and other whisker users:
I went out and bought Rummy's recommended pole. If I break it I might
consider a better pole, but I'm much more likely to lose it overboard. I
like Rummy's idea of hooking it to a shroud instead of the mast. I'm a
little concerned about damaging the shroud, but if Rummy's extreme
bury-the-bow sailing doesn't break anything, I doubt that my light wind runs
will.
I'll probably figure this out through trial and error, but it's easier and
safer to ask you experts. If I'm singlehandling in light winds on a run and
want to attach the whisker pole to the 175% Genoa, do I lengthen the pole to
the desired size; then pull the Genoa clew back to the cockpit; then insert
the pole into the clew; then try to keep tension on the pole and sail while
I slowly release the sheet while walking the clamp end of the pole to the
shroud?
Even in light winds with the tiller locked, this seems a little awkward in
my mind. An alternative would be to set the sail and try to hit the hole
with the pole from 12 feet away. I don't think I could do that sober.
Any advice on anything related to my new toy would be helpful. Thanks!
Lee
R22RumRunner wrote:
>
> Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist lock pole that goes
> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on one end (boat end) and a spike on
> the
> sail end. It is relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> happen
> to break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.
> Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back when I bought mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to
> $150.00, but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't
> go
> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way, but this is
> one
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will store nicely in the storage
> compartments
> on either side of the V berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have never used it. I
> usually
> attach it to a lower part of a shroud which is more easily accessible from
> the
> cockpit when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
> really
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight going wing on wing.
> Try
> that in 10 mile an hour winds and you will understand what extreme
> sailing is
> all about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release
> everything and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned the
> carpet in
> the cabin. :)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Last week I sent an email to Stan for some parts. I also asked him if he
> had a used whisker pole lying around.
>
> Assuming he doesn't have an old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what
> pole works well with the Rhodes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 11:33 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have left the full 175 genny out and really
> had a ride going wing on wing.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>
> Paul,
>
> Don't know if this helps but on Saturday I went out single-handed with
> the
> winds very consistent at about 10 to 10.5 knots.
>
> Board down, traveler centered, full main, poptop up, sheets between
> inner
> and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the outer
> shroud
> to
> about 115%. Tiller locked in the center. Heel between 10 and 15
> degrees.
> Body weight mostly on windward seat. Chop was only a little more than
a
> foot.
> Speed was consistent at just above 4 knots. Tacked and after recovery
> there
> was a 90 degree difference on the compass, which would be exactly 45
> degrees
> into the wind. By that calculation I could have been doing 40 degrees
> on
> one tack and 50 degrees on the other but it's doubtful. Heel was
> slightly
> more
> on the starboard tack due to the weight of the motor.
>
> I was a little surprised that the boat would do that well with the
> poptop
> up, boom up, and without the sheets being ran across the poptop between
> the
> mast and inner shroud. I still believe that in the right conditions the
> boat
> will do better than 40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> would
> be
> lost.
>
> Decided to complete the triangle and sail back to the marina entrance on
> a
> run with the wind and waves directly behind me. Furled in the Genoa and
> released the boom so it was just touching the shrouds. The loose-footed
> main was
> still pulled flat tight and the inner shroud protruded into the sail.
> Not
> exactly optimal sail shape for the point-of-sail. Pulled up the
> centerboard.
> Speed was about 5 knots, but I think the waves helped a lot. Sailing
> with
> just the main is certainly an easy means of sailing with the wind.
> Tiller
> again was locked to the center and my weight was balanced in the center
> of
> the
> boat.
>
> Had time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact same
> conditions
> but with the centerboard up. Compass reading difference was 98 degrees
> and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots. Heeled increased but less than 5
> degrees.
>
> On a scale of 1 to 10, I hate to rate anthing a 10, so I'll give the
> sailing
> conditions on Saturday a 9.9.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Alan Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008 10:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
>
> I realize that you sail a lot single handed; we don't. The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the jib sheets inside of the outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly" guests over 150 lbs. on the windward side with life
> preservers
> buckled and get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree heel. Anything more
> or
> any weight on the leeward side means a mop-up job if the non-sailors
> have
> just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing Problem
>
>
> I love the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all points of sail except when it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my narrow harbor, being able to point close to the wind is the
> difference
> between returning home in 30 minutes versus 3 hours.
>
> Now I'm not asking to be able to be 30 degrees off the wind like those
> two
> guys racing around in a catamaran with no seating and two angled
> standing
> platforms, and like members of the Joffrey Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
> one side to the other, making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
> traveling
> at 15 knots (no exaggeration).
> (P.S. What is that thing?)
>
> But it would be nice to make 90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree
> tacks.
>
> Stan put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in which the
> jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the shrouds. But the sail area
> is
> so much smaller with the new system that making headway is difficult.
>
> Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets on their normal path outside
> the
> shrouds seems to be the best compromise, but I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>
> I tried tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib luff. The jib
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the wind.
>
> And yes, the centerboard is down.
>
> What works for you?
>
> Paul K
> "Clarity"
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