[Rhodes22-list] Now whisker pole recommendation and adjustments.

KUHN, LELAND LKUHN at cnmc.org
Wed Sep 24 13:28:37 EDT 2008


Rummy,

Since the extension portion is only 6 feet long and one of the positions
is fully extended, I was thinking of putting 2 big marks at the 2 and 4
foot lengths just to start out.  I can then add different size/shape
marks later once I figure out what I'm doing.

I thought about using different attachment points (like the bimini latch
and rear shroud) but I didn't want to get too confused based on your
last recommendation, Mt. Gay.

I actually never heard of Mt. Gay rum before you mentioned it on this
list.  Had no idea it was so big in the sailing community.  I'm no rum
expert and haven't tried any other top-shelf rums, but Mt. Gay sure
beats Bacardi and Captain Morgan.  A rum purist would protest, but I
drink it with Coke Zero and pretend like I'm on a diet.  I haven't lost
any weight yet but I'll keep drinking it until I do.

Lee


-----Original Message-----
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:38 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Now whisker pole recommendation and
adjustments.

Lee,
 
After using the whisker pole a couple of times you will find that there
are  
roughly three lengths on the extension that you will use. I took a
permanent  
marker and placed lines on the pole so I know how far to extend the pole
for 
the  angle I'm sailing at. You can also adjust the length of the pole by
using  
different attachment points. I've also found over the years that Mt. Gay
rum 
is  a wonderful lubricant. Hope this helps. 
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:26:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:

Lee,
You have the right idea. Never try to do anything to difficult  on the  
Rhodes 
unless you have had sufficient lubricant to ease the  brain pain. What
works 
well for one sailor  won't necessarily  work for another. Trial and
error my 
friend.  

Rummy


In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:12:26 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,  
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:


Rummy, Mary Lou and  other whisker users:

I went out and  bought Rummy's recommended  pole.  If I break it I might
consider a  better pole, but I'm  much more likely to lose it overboard.
I
like  Rummy's idea of  hooking it to a shroud instead of the mast.  I'm
a
little  concerned about damaging the shroud, but if Rummy's   extreme
bury-the-bow sailing doesn't break anything, I doubt that my  light
wind runs
will.

I'll probably figure this out through  trial and  error, but it's easier
and
safer to ask you experts.   If I'm  singlehandling in light winds on a
run and
want to attach the  whisker pole  to the 175% Genoa, do I lengthen the
pole to
the desired  size; then pull  the Genoa clew back to the cockpit; then
insert
the  pole into the clew;  then try to keep tension on the pole and sail
while
I slowly release the  sheet while walking the clamp end of the  pole to
the
shroud?

Even in  light winds with the tiller  locked, this seems a little
awkward in
my  mind.  An alternative  would be to set the sail and try to hit the
hole
with the pole from  12 feet away.  I don't think I could do that  sober.

Any  advice on anything related to my new toy would be  helpful.
Thanks!

Lee



R22RumRunner wrote:
>  
>  Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist  lock  pole
that 
goes 

> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on  one  end (boat end) and a
spike on
> the  
> sail end. It is   relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard
or
> happen  
>  to  break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great.  
>  Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back  when I bought  mine they were around $125.00. Now they are
closer  to 
 
> $150.00,  but it really is a worthwhile expenditure.  Everyone knows I
don't
>  go  
> for the gadgets because  they either break or are in the way,  but
this is
> one   
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will  store nicely in the  storage
> compartments  
> on either side  of the V  berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have  never  used it. I
> usually  
> attach it to a lower part of a   shroud which is more easily
accessible from
> the 
>   cockpit  when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with.
It
>  really  
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an  awesome sight  going wing on
wing.
> Try 
> that  in 10  mile an hour winds  and you will understand what extreme
> sailing  is 
> all   about. I have actually buried the bow before I was  able to
release 
>  everything  and turn upwind. Washed the  decks clean and even cleaned
the
> carpet in 
> the   cabin. :) 
>  
>  Rummy
>  
>   
> In a message dated 9/22/2008  1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,  
> LKUHN at cnmc.org  writes:
> 
>  Rummy,
> 
> Last week I sent an email to  Stan for some  parts.  I  also asked him
if 
he 
> had a used  whisker  pole lying around.
> 
> Assuming he  doesn't have an   old one, do you have any
recommendations on
> what 
> pole   works  well with the  Rhodes?
> 
> Thanks!
>   
> Lee
> 
> ________________________________
>   
> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com   [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008  11:33   AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re:   [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing Problem
> 
> 
>  
>  Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have  left the  full 175 genny  out and 
really 
> had a ride going wing on   wing.
> 
>  Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message  dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26  A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>  
> Paul,
> 
>  Don't  know if this helps but on Saturday  I went out   single-handed
with 
> the
> winds very consistent  at about  10 to 10.5  knots.
> 
> Board  down, traveler   centered, full main, poptop up, sheets
between 
>  inner
>  and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past  the
outer
> shroud 
> to
> about 115%.   Tiller locked in  the center.   Heel  between 10 and  15
> degrees. 
>  Body weight mostly on windward   seat.   Chop was only a little  more
than 
a 
> foot.  
> Speed was  consistent at just   above 4 knots.   Tacked and after
recovery  
> there
>  was a 90  degree  difference on the compass, which would be  exactly
45
> degrees
> into the  wind.  By that calculation  I  could  have been doing 40
degrees
> on
> one  tack  and  50 degrees on the other  but it's doubtful.   Heel was
>  slightly 
> more
> on  the starboard  tack  due to the  weight of the motor.
> 
> I was a  little  surprised that  the  boat would do that well with
the
> poptop
> up, boom up,  and  without the   sheets being ran across the poptop
between
>  the
> mast and  inner   shroud.  I still believe that in  the right
conditions 
the 
> boat
> will  do  better than  40  degrees, although I don't know how much
speed
> would 
>   be  
> lost.
> 
> Decided to complete the triangle   and&  sail back to the  marina
entrance 
on
> a
>  run with the  wind and waves directly behind  me.  Furled  in  the
Genoa  
and
> released the boom so it was just   touching the shrouds.   The  
loose-footed 
> main  was
> still pulled  flat tight  and the inner shroud  protruded  into the
sail.  
> Not
>  exactly  optimal sail shape for the  point-of-sail.  Pulled up    the

> centerboard. 
> Speed was about 5 knots,  but I  think  the waves  helped a lot.
Sailing
> with
>  just the main  is  certainly an easy  means of sailing with the
wind. 
>  Tiller
> again was  locked to the  center  and my weight was  balanced in the
center
> of 
> the  
> boat.
> 
>  Had  time to do another triangle so  I tried it with the exact  same

> conditions
>  but with the centerboard  up.  Compass reading difference   was  98
degrees
>  and
> speed picked up about 0.3  knots.  Heeled  increased  but  less than 5
>  degrees.
> 
> On a scale of 1 to 10,  I hate  to rate  anthing a  10, so I'll give
the
>  sailing
> conditions  on Saturday  a   9.9.
>  
> Lee
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   ________________________________
> 
> From:   Alan   Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008   10:11   PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject:  Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
>  
>  
> I realize that you sail a lot single  handed; we  don't.   The only
time we
> can
> point up closer is to  run the  jib  sheets inside of the  outmost
shrouds,
>  sit
> any "friendly"  guests  over 150 lbs. on the windward  side  with life

>  preservers
> buckled and  get  THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree  heel.  Anything
more
>  or
> any  weight on the leeward  side means a mop-up job if  the
non-sailors
> have  
>  just
> had  lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
> 
> -----  Original   Message  -----
> From: Paul     Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To:     rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>   Sent:  Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject:   [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
> 
> I  love  the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all  points of  sail  except
when  
it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my   narrow harbor,  being  able to point close to the wind is the

>  difference
> between returning  home in 30 minutes  versus 3   hours.
> 
> Now I'm not asking to be  able  to be 30 degrees  off the  wind like
those
>  two
> guys racing around in  a  catamaran with no   seating and two angled
>  standing
> platforms, and  like  members of the  Joffrey  Ballet, gracefully
leaping
> from
> one side to  the  other,  making  smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>  traveling
> at 15   knots (no  exaggeration).
> (P.S.  What is that  thing?)
> 
> But it  would  be nice to make  90  degree rather than 110 or 120
degree 
> tacks.
> 
>  Stan  put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in  which
the  
> jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of  the  shrouds.  But the
sail area
> is
> so much  smaller with  the new system that making  headway  is
difficult.
> 
>  Furling the genoa jib 50% with the  sheets  on their  normal path
outside
> the
>  shrouds seems to be the best  compromise,  but  I'm still 50-60
degrees 
off
> the
> wind.
>  
> I   tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib  luff. The
jib  
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the   wind.
> 
> And yes,  the  centerboard is  down.
>  
> What works for you?
> 
>  Paul   K
>  "Clarity"
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