[Rhodes22-list] Centerboard and Sail Trim and Leeway
BenCittadino
bencittadino at gmail.com
Tue Aug 4 22:44:42 EDT 2009
Mary Lou;
Your last sentence turned the light bulb on for me. You ought to write a
book, or a chapter, like a chapter 5 in "Sailing Small". Thanks for the
explication of the explanation, and thanks for chapter 5 too.
BenCittadino
Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
>
> Ben,
> The key to understanding this is the lateral resistance part. The
> centerboard resists the boat's tendency to move sideways through the
> water due to the pressure of the wind on the sails. If you raise the
> centerboard, the resistance to moving sideways decreases. Because the
> boat moves sideways to get out of the way of the wind, it doesn't heel as
> much.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> At 09:48 PM 8/4/2009, you wrote:
>
>>David;
>>
>>I read the quote three times and I'm still pretty sure I don't get it. In
>>fact, I'm very sure I don't get it. I understand it, and I believe it (I
>>guess) but I don't get it. My gut tells me the farther down the board is
the
>>the more resistance to heeling there would be (and my gut is substantial).
>>
>>I love this thread because there are few people who know less than I do
>>about sailing, and this kind of fundamental advice is very helpful.
Thanks
>>for taking the trouble to post that reference. I need to read it a few
more
>>times.
>>
>>BenCittadino
>>
>>
>>
>>david.walker5 wrote:
>> >
>> > Lee,
>> >
>> > Credit where credit is due. I just ran across a reference in a book
>> > called
>> > "Better Sailing" by Richard Henderson. He also wrote a great book on
>> > heavy
>> > weather sailing called "Sea Sense". Any way, I quote from the book
>> >
>> > "...it is not always realized that heeling can be reduced on a boat
>> having
>> > an unballasted centerboard by partially raising the board. This raises
>> > the
>> > center of lateral resistance (CLR), thereby reducing the heeling arm,
>> the
>> > vertical distance between the CLR and the center of effort (the
>> geometric
>> > center of the sails) ... In heavy weather, centerboardsshould almost
>> never
>> > be raised all the way, however, because the boat will generally make
>> too
>> > much leeway ar loose directional stability and also because the board
>> acts
>> > as a roll damper."
>> >
>> > I think the key here is the "partially raising the board. Anyway good
>> > observation. If leeway is not a concern, raising the board can reduce
>> > heeling.
>> >
>> >
>> > David Walker
>> >
>> > www.davidwalkerphotography.com
>> >
>> > Event Specialists
>> >
>> > 781-639-2707 Office
>> > 781-718-8690 Cell
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:45 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard and Sail Trim and Leeway
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yesterday I got the chance to sail in 5-10 kt wind and relatively flat
>> >> water. I set the boat up on a beam reach (apparent wind 90 degreees).
>> >> The
>> >> course was was 060 M by my steering compass. We were able to do about
>> >> .5 - 4 kts SOG by the GPS.
>> >>
>> >> With the board down our COG (Course over ground) was 055-057 M
>> >> With the board up out COG was 045-048 M
>> >>
>> >> Although my steering compass is not compensated and thus has unknown
>> >> deviation, since it was held steady at 060 the deviation has no
>> >> importance
>> >> here. Lowering the board reduced leeway by about 10 degrees.
>> Lowering
>> >> the
>> >> board had no observed effect on SOG although wind variation could have
>> >> hidden a small effect. Based on these results I see no reason to sail
>> >> with
>> >> the board up unless in very thin water and one very good reason to
>> sail
>> >> with
>> >> it down.
>> >>
>> >> David Walker
>> >>
>> >> www.davidwalkerphotography.com
>> >>
>> >> Event Specialists
>> >>
>> >> 781-639-2707 Office
>> >> 781-718-8690 Cell
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Leland" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:13 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard and Sail Trim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> David,
>> >>>
>> >>> By "relatively flat" I certainly agree. On close reaches so far I've
>> >>> found
>> >>> that it's easier for me to get in the groove with about a 10-15
>> degree
>> >>> heel,
>> >>> which I consider relatively flat. Anything over that and I most
>> always
>> >>> slow
>> >>> down.
>> >>>
>> >>> Reference your statement that there is no reason (healing, light air,
>> >>> heavy air) to sail on the wind with the board up, does the term "sail
>> on
>> >>> the
>> >>> wind" mean close-hauled or any close reach? With the Rhodes' keel it
>> is
>> >>> obviously able to sail on a close reach without the centerboard down.
>> >>> Many
>> >>> times I've experimented with the board up and down and it always
>> creates
>> >>> enough drag to reduce speed.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't disagree with your statement, "On a run, racing sailors will
>> >>> raise
>> >>> the board to reduce
>> >>> drag, but you will find that makes steering more difficult as the
>> board
>> >>> and
>> >>> the rudder combine to create directional stability." However, that's
>> >>> all
>> >>> relative too. I typically sail with the board up on a close reach
>> and
>> >>> balance the sails so there's no pressure on the tiller. See picture
>> >>> below
>> >>> (normally I do lock the tiller after balancing the sails). I am
>> anxious
>> >>> to
>> >>> try the board down again. When moving around the boat to get and get
>> >>> rid
>> >>> of
>> >>> beer, stability is sometimes more important than speed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lee
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> David Walker-19 wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've tried to stay quiet while watching these posts fly by but I
>> have
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> make a few comments.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) The R22 sails basically like a big dinghy. It really wants to
>> sail
>> >>>> relatively flat. This gives maximum depth to the CB, least wetted
>> >>>> surface
>> >>>> and best hull form factor in the water. All heel does is
>> effectively
>> >>>> lower
>> >>>> the sails, create weather helm and portentially pull the rudder out
>> of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> water. If the rudder is partially out of the water due to heel, it
>> is
>> >>>> less
>> >>>> effective and requires more angle which creates drag and can stall
>> the
>> >>>> rudder. Some (not all) keel boats can sail faster with significant
>> >>>> heeling
>> >>>> because they are designed with significant hull overhangs which add
>> >>>> waterline length whwn heeling. This usually comes about due to
>> >>>> specific
>> >>>> racing class design formulas.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> All that being said the ways to reduce heal are to a) use deck apes,
>> b)
>> >>>> reef
>> >>>> sails and c) trim sails to maximize lift and minimize drag
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2) All CB boats will sail better on the wind with the board down.
>> >>>> Water
>> >>>> passing by the boards leading edge at the leeway angle creates lift
>> >>>> which
>> >>>> keeps the boat going intoo the wind. The lateral resistance of the
>> >>>> board
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> mimimal compared to the sails. There is no reason (healing, light
>> air,
>> >>>> heavy air) to sail on the wind with the board up. The amount of
>> board
>> >>>> down
>> >>>> can be experimented with to modify weather/lee helm as the CE
>> (center
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> effort) of the board will change relative to the CE of the sails has
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> board is lowered. On a run, racing sailors will raise the board to
>> >>>> reduce
>> >>>> drag, but you will find that makes steering more difficult as the
>> board
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> the rudder combine to create directional stability.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For those interested I reccommend a small paper back book entitled
>> >>>> "Sail
>> >>>> Trim - Theory and Practice" by Peter Hahne, published by Sheridan
>> >>>> House.
>> >>>> He
>> >>>> describes in detail, trimming techniques to use to optimize sail
>> trim
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> all conditions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David Walker
>> >>>>
>> >>>> www.davidwalkerphotography.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Event Specialists
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 781-639-2707 Office
>> >>>> 781-718-8690 Cell
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Leland" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
>> >>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:07 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Partial Mainsail
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> John,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That makes sense. If the boat normally heels less with the
>> >>>>> centerboard
>> >>>>> up,
>> >>>>> it stands to reason that it would also heel less in a big gust of
>> >>>>> wind.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lee
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> jlock wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Actually I think it is the opposite. With the board up, a gust
>> will
>> >>>>>> tend to push the hull sideways more easily and expend some energy
>> >>>>>> doing so, producing less heel. But with the board down, it will
>> >>>>>> offer
>> >>>>>> resistance to the sideways push of the gust at a very low angle.
>> The
>> >>>>>> results will be more heel above the waterline.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers!
>> >>>>>> John Lock
>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> >>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:41, MichaelT wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I'll have to balance the compromises here w/ needing to get
>> >>>>>>> somewhere vs a
>> >>>>>>> relaxing time.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Btw, how real is the risk of a knockdown w/ the board up?
>> >>>>>>> Has there been any reported knockdowns with the board up?
>> >>>>>>> I suppose if a BIG gust came across and the board was up that the
>> >>>>>>> boat will
>> >>>>>>> react and heel much easier.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Michael
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> These 'board up' options are a new one to me, partly because I
>> >>>>>>>> began
>> >>>>>>>> serious sailing in a racing mode. I do not know of anyone who
>> >>>>>>>> would beat
>> >>>>>>>> into the wind with the board up in competition, certainly due to
>> >>>>>>>> slippage,
>> >>>>>>>> which Hank emphasizes so well, but also the risk of knockdown.
>> I
>> >>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> never tried it, Michael, but I'd approach this technique with
>> >>>>>>>> caution,
>> >>>>>>>> especially if your wife is aboard.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Happy sailing,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Art
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>>> From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Jul 27, 2009 9:56 AM
>> >>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Partial Mainsail
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the first hand knowledge wrt the centerboard.
>> >>>>>>>>> You've certainly changed the fundamentals of my logic. Womehow
>> my
>> >>>>>>>>> flawed
>> >>>>>>>>> thinking was that with the board up that the Rhodes would heel
>> >>>>>>>>> more and
>> >>>>>>>>> difficult to turn. On the contrary, the Rhodes actually sails
>> >>>>>>>>> better (i.e.
>> >>>>>>>>> less heel, easy to to turn) with the board up. Definitely
>> >>>>>>>>> something I will
>> >>>>>>>>> do this week.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Lee!
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Leland wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> With the board down it will allow you to sail closer to the
>> wind
>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> make
>> >>>>>>>>>> better headway (less drifting).
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the faster you go the less impact the board will have
>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>> both
>> >>>>>>>>>> sailing close to the wind and headway. The board is most
>> useful
>> >>>>>>>>>> if you
>> >>>>>>>>>> want to make headway in light wind.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm a daysailor so the only time I need to make better headway
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>> it's
>> >>>>>>>>>> necessary to get back to my marina at the end of the day.
>> With
>> >>>>>>>>>> yesterday's high wind and the current and chop pushing me away
>> >>>>>>>>>> from the
>> >>>>>>>>>> wind, I never once lowered my board and sailed part of the
>> time
>> >>>>>>>>>> on broad
>> >>>>>>>>>> reaches and runs. On tacks the boat turned like a sports car.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> With the board down it will act as a pivot point and allow you
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >>>>>>>>>> easier whether you are tacking or motoring around your slip.
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>>>>> use
>> >>>>>>>>>> if for either one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I've measured my speed countless times with the board up and
>> down
>> >>>>>>>>>> and it
>> >>>>>>>>>> has always had a negative impact on speed. I think the term
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>> VMG
>> >>>>>>>>>> (velocity made good?) which measures how much headway you're
>> >>>>>>>>>> actually
>> >>>>>>>>>> making. If I could figure out how to measure it on my GPS I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>> sure it
>> >>>>>>>>>> would show that the board helps, but with the reduction in
>> speed
>> >>>>>>>>>> it sure
>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't seem that way.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Lee
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> MichaelT wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lee,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was just thinking about bringing the centerboard up as you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> suggested,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> but have concerns.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Did you flip bringing the centerboard up and down. Down when
>> >>>>>>>>>>> tacking
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> up after the tack?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I forgot to let the centerboard down and all
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> could
>> >>>>>>>>>>> remember was going sideways and difficulty in making headway.
>> In
>> >>>>>>>>>>> essence
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the boat was slipping and pushed sideways by the wind when
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> centerboard is up. I suppose as long as we don't need to be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>> >>>>>>>>>>> soon
>> >>>>>>>>>>> this is all fine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> At the end I'll have to let my wife judge!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great suggestion!
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Leland wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're getting lots of good advice.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You'll have a little less heel with the board up. From the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Owners' Site under FAQs under Rhodes vs. Com-Pac vs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Precisions: 5.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Retract the centerboard part way in a big breeze. The board
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> intentionally modest in weight, and does not contribute
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> significantly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> stability up or down. Raising the board part way will reduce
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> both heel
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and weather helm.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The quote refers to Precisions. If I raise the board all
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> way on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes it usually only reduces heel by about 3 degrees but
>> your
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wife
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> may
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In an 8-10 knot wind, lowering the boom will reduce heel
>> also.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As Dave mentioned the boat sails better with two sails. For
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> amount
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of wind you described you probably weren't going fast enough
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tack.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Come off the wind enough to get up some speed and you'll
>> then
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be able
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> turn her sharply into the wind.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When I first got my Rhodes I typically had too much sail
>> out.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> were
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wise to be conservative in your sail plan, but without any
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> headsail
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so little main you probably couldn't get enough speed to
>> tack
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> even if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you had come off the wind. Last week I was in a 12 knot
>> wind.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> close reach with balanced sails with the board up and my 190
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lbs of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rail
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> meat, I had less than 20 degrees of heel with the boom up
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the main
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reefed to 80%. With the boom down I had the same heel with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 100% main.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have my mainsail furling line marked for reefs at 60% and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 80%. If I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have to reef the tiny little main beyond 60%, it's too windy
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for me
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (over 20 knots) and I go home.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kent Island, MD
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> david.walker5 wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tacking with the jib, especially very light or heavy wind
>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> too. The problem is the jib is very powerfull and it wants
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> push
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> boat
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> away from the tack. One technique that has worked for me
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> borrowed from sailing a square rigger. When you push the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tiller to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> lee,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> loosen the jibe immediately, but do not let the sheet
>> fly.(for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> interested its called scandalizing the jib) This reduces
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sail and allows it to turn up wind. Just as the bow comes
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wind,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tighten the sheet a little. The wind will then backwind the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jib and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> push the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bow the rest of the way onto the new tack. As you come
>> through
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wind, the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wind on the new tack will push the sail across to the new
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tack. In
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy wind you may end up "in stays" or headed into the
>> wind
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> start
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pushed backwards. In that case as I said in an earlier
>> post,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> shift
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rudder (tiller to windward) and the boat will back onto the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> new tack
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> start to sail.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David Walker
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.davidwalkerphotography.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Event Specialists
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 781-639-2707 Office
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 781-718-8690 Cell
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Stephen Staum" <staum at earthlink.net>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:32 PM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Partial Mainsail
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too have a wife who likes to sail flat. I have an '87 w
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 184 per
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cent genoa. I usually start w 1/2 of the genny as the jib
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers this boat. Even w the full main out (alone) u will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> struggle
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come about. Also, if u have the full jib out in light
>> winds,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very difficult 2 get the jib 2 come across when coming
>> about.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> often easier 2 jibe or roll up 1/2 the jib b4 come about
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Staum
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:47 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Went out with the family on Sunday and wanted to play it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drew the IMF mainsail approx halfway on the boom (the
>> letter
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sail
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't showing).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanted to keep things simple and used no jib. Centerboard
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was down
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The boat stayed flat as a pancake which was the desired
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My wife wants no heeling whatsoever. Problem I had was I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tack.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It even had a hard time getting into irons and just
>> couldn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cutover.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way I could change direction was to spin 2/3's
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around in a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jibe.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to experiment and let out more sail so we
>> just
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sailing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the next hour like this.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this normal behaviour? What am I doing wrong?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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