[Rhodes22-list] And now, for the kids...

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Rick,

I agree with your observation, yet some of the kids are getting it, and getting outside.  It takes a nudge from Mom and Dad.  I know that each year, with great effort on the part of club members, Boca Ciega hosts a very popular sailing camp, as I recall three or four sessions on Spring Saturdays.  As a result, the Sea Scout involvement is peaked, and so on, and so on.  Maybe something like this would create incentive for parents and kids.  Who could do this from the Rhoadie population?  With Rummy's help, I'd be willing to try this at Lake Hartwell.  Who else would also be willing to step up to the plate?

Cessna gained PR  points and customers with their $5 airplane rides many years ago,  with the feeling that once a Cassna pilot, always a Cessna pilot.  They sold otherwise expensive flight hours in less expensive block time to flight students, expecting customers who learned from the Cessna would settle only for the Cessna when they purchased their own aircraft

Good point you have made, Rick.

Art



-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 5, 2009 9:05 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now comes General Boats
>
>Stan,
>
>I just got back from picking blackberries were I made the decision to
>disagree with you on one other point.  By the way, the harvest of big, plump
>blackberries is abundant this year as the result of a wonderful Canadian
>summer we've had here in northern Ohio.
>
>I have about a quarter acre patch of wild berries along a section of my
>property next to some woods.  It occurred to me this evening that no other
>human had been in my patch, even after a week of ripening berries.  Yet when
>I was a kid, we would never have let the property owner keep all the berries
>to himself.  On this beautiful summer evening (after a great day sailing), I
>didn't chase a single kid out of my patch, let alone even hear the call of a
>child.  They were all inside looking at screens.
>
>You attribute the decline in boat sales to the rising cost of oil.  Wooden
>boats were always more expensive than plastic ones.  And disposable income
>has risen in real terms much faster than the price of oil.  Yet even during
>the fat years of this decade, boat sales overall declined.
>
>Stan, I think you are selling fewer boats for the same reason I am eating
>more blackberries.  We are witness to a cultural shift in this country away
>from outdoor recreation, especially for our children.  There is a book
>called "Last Child in the Woods" that tells all about.
>
>Those of us who want to save GBI, and boating in general, need to get our
>kids, grandchildren, nieces and nephews out on our boats and into the
>blackberry patch.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
>>    This paper on Loyalty/Royalty is apart from the ongoing GB vs. Art C.
>> battle, having only been joined to that complaint because Art, while
>> purporting to support GB, has, in the matter of Loyalty/Royalty, rejected
>> the GB proposal in his own multiple Rhodes buying and selling.   It is hoped
>> that airing the Loyalty/Royalty tender might end the myopic rational that it
>> is crazy for GB expecting anything from the sales and purchases of Rhodes
>> that GB had nothing to do with.   The factual truth is there are no Rhodes
>> sales that GB has nothing to do with:   Rick's 7/26 5:28PM  e-mail supports
>> that position at one end of the debate (how the private seller volunteered
>> GB's time to clinch this private Rhodes purchase decision); to David Culp's
>> 7/26 4:49 PM e-mail at the other end of the debate (re the high value of
>> Rhodes re-sales).   For Ben's, Joe's, John's and all others' academic
>> Loyalty/Royalty questions, here is the logic to consider.
>>
>>    When sane folks, who haven't thought it through, laugh at GB's crazed
>> Loyalty/Royalty notion, I  think of the Marx Brothers' movie where Groucho
>> is reviewing a contract where Chico is applying for a loan and Groucho says,
>> "You have to sign the sanity clause" and Chico laughs and says, "Everyone
>> knows there is no Sanity Claus".   There is no authority to the
>> Loyalty/Royalty clause that we ask you to incorporate when buying or selling
>> a Rhodes 22 Sailboat - it is purely voluntary.  But, the win, win, win logic
>> of the value added for all three parties, is overwhelming, as this brief
>> will argue.
>>
>> 1.    Boat Show goers fall in love with the Rhodes - but one of the biggest
>> drags on a "yes" from wannabes has been, "Am I buying from a company that
>> will still be around next year?"  Many current Rhodies let us know that they
>> share that concern of who is going to back up their boat's welfare if GB's
>> welfare is being allowed to deteriorate.   This decision-contributor is one
>> of several you have to join in any conclusion re GB's Loyalty/Royalty
>> proposal.
>>
>> 2,    General Boats builds a single boat.   In this business the money is
>> in the big boats.  Accordingly the business plan of almost all other
>> builders is to offer an entry level boat at the lowest selling price
>> possible (even a loss) to get new sailors' brand loyalty and then walk them
>> up the size line.   The Rhodes business plan, for better or worse, is just
>> the opposite.  We do not continually walk around our boat seeing how we can
>> save a nickel - we walk around the Rhodes and see how spending an extra
>> dollar will make an even better boat.  It is this
>> not-continually-coming-out-with-a-cheaper-boat, but continually offering a
>> better boat, that keeps getting Rhodes, which does not advertise, featured
>> in so may publications that thrive off advertising.  August "Sailing" is
>> just one more recognition of  "what we do".     Invariably publications deal
>> with us before an article decision and invariably we point out to them that
>> we do not advertise so they should not risk the wrat!
>>  h of competitive boat builder who do.  And invariably their response is
>> that their readers have a right to know.   If you buy or sell a Rhodes
>> privately, insisting to yourself that GB had nothing to do with it, so
>> warrants nothing, you are diluting the facts and deluding yourself.
>>
>> 3.    The Rhodes 22 is the beginning and the end of the GB line.  We have
>> no more profitable size to move you up to.   Nor is your buying a Rhodes
>> like buying a car that you periodically do many times in a lifetime and so
>> provide the seller many sales to amortize the costs of winning you over as a
>> customer - only a handful of Rhodies have opted for their second Rhodes in
>> one lifetime.
>>
>>    The effort/time/mail/phone/e-mails/visits/demos/etc. wooing our buyers,
>> are not spread over multiple or moving up sales.  In a fiscal period all
>> these expenses must be born by the few new boat sales and the many used boat
>> sales these expenses make possible.  So, at least in GB's business scope,
>> Rick's comfort-accounting reasoning for panning GB's position on the
>> responsibility of private sales, does not hold water.
>>
>> 4.    Why, at the start of GB's second 50 years, the Loyalty/Royalty
>> program?  We will spare you our political explanation, which is irrefutable,
>> and simplify the reason with two words:  Oil, and a nameless second word to
>> avoid diversion.  Boats are built of oil. When we started gas was 26 cents a
>> gallon and we sold boats for $2,500 to firemen and policemen, teachers and
>> auto workers: providing a large middle class base.  My daughter (the writer)
>> had no time to go to the bathroom, she was so busy taking deposits at the
>> Mt. Clemens (Detroit) boat show.
>>
>>    When inflation raised the cost a bit, our base shrank a bit, to business
>> men and bookies.   When inflation continued, and at an increasing rate, we
>> sold to doctors and lawyers; a shrinking base.  And, when inflation really
>> took over, sales were restricted to a handful of Arabian Sheiks.   We had to
>> do something - and we did:   Selling used Rhodes.
>>
>>    Recycled Rhodes saved the day for GB while we watched the Gulf Stars and
>> Bristols, Allied Yachts, Marshals (who was an overnight guest at our home,
>> and then killed himself), O'Days, Sovereigns, Irwins, Nimbles, Starwinds,
>> Balboas, Windstars, Tanzers (whose plant we now occupy), Grampians and an
>> amazing number of small and big builders in the US and Canada and around the
>> World, who started the same time we did, go out of business.  And we watched
>> the value of these builders' used boats plummet in the surviving market.  In
>> contrast, the private sales of Rhodes became, and remain, easy.  And used
>> Rhodes values keep rising.   But Art, and his co-thinking
>> Rhodes-buying-and-selling crowd, cling to their self-serving myth that, in
>> their particular instances, GB has nothing to do with their buying and
>> selling successes.
>>
>>    The issue may be better framed by the answer to the question: "Why does
>> a surviving company like Macgregor, who builds a single model, not need
>> customer support?   You may be interested in the answer but, you do not want
>> GB to do what Macgregor does.   When used boats begin to impinge on
>> Macgregor's new boat sales and dealer channels clog up, Roger simply stops
>> production of that boat and comes out with a different boat.  If you owned a
>> Venture 17 or 21 or 22 or 23 or his cat or one of the many versions of the
>> Macgregor 25 and 26 (Roger even changes the name of his boats), you have
>> seen the price of your discontinued model drop, sometimes even before your
>> classified hits the streets.  (And what are the chances of the next owner of
>> one of these discontinued brands, getting a replacement for that lost cast
>> iron swing keel.)
>>
>> 5.    The nature of business (and life) is "change".   The battle over
>> government Health Care today is no different than the battles over
>> government Social Security, government Medicare and government Unemployment
>> Insurance, were yesterday.  Today they are all accepted as American
>> way-to-go programs.  "What is good for General Motors is good for America"
>> was the slogan in my early business days. If GM ever entertained the idea
>> that used car sales might be indebted to the parent company, they did so too
>> late.  Changing times morph current traditions into new traditions, when
>> times call for it .  Today's economy evolution rubs it under our nose that
>> boat builders need to join already sanctioned residual supported industries
>> - if we  want to hold onto the wonderful variety of selections having many
>> small builders offers.   The news today tells of newspapers and wire
>> services turning to digital coding technology to fight off dinosaurian
>> extinction by asking royalties from other !
>>  media who freely lift news companies' expensively gathered information.
>> No one is expecting you to feel for poor old GB - you should be thinking
>> what is good for you.  And what is good for you is what is good for General
>> Boats. Take it from the old man - flexible thinking keeps you enduringly
>> relevant.  A hollow sounding idea today can make solid sense tomorrow.
>>
>>    Consider the Chicago Boat Show as an example of changing times.   This
>> year, for the first time since the Boat Show's start at the Chicago Stock
>> Yards where, "we were there", we did not go.   It is not that there were no
>> Rhodes sales made at the last few Chicago Shows - there were.  But they were
>> made by private buyers and sellers - sales where not one cent went to GB to
>> pay costs for bringing show boats all the way to Chicago, paying for the 5
>> days rental of Navy Pier space, for parking, manpower and the tabs for
>> eating and sleeping in Chicago and the pleasure of doing it all in freezing
>> winter winds.   "You can see the boat at the show, the salesman is great, he
>> will take as much time as you need to show you all the features and answer
>> all your questions and give you a great booklet to take with you - and then
>> you can buy my Rhodes."   Loyalty/Royalty would have gone a long way to
>> keeping this show on GB's itinerary.  A few Chicago buyers and sellers did
>> get our messag!
>>  e and earned our loyalty for denting our costs.   But there are limits to
>> the shortfalls our Social Security checks can cover.
>>
>>    We appreciate suggestions such as yearly dues but feel this one would
>> prove a burden for owners.   We have given much thought to Saving Private
>> Sales and Saving General Boats and note that when we buy something, the
>> sales person then wants to sell us a back-up policy.   My reaction is to
>> decline on the grounds that if the item is new and guaranteed, why would I
>> need any additional support.   But re-sale items are another animal.  Very
>> little of GB's time seems to be taken by new boat buyers.  But private
>> re-sales buyers are turning GB into a full time not-for-profit organization.
>>   When we negotiate with a new contractor and feel the product or service
>> has been under priced, we offer to pay more because we do not want to lose a
>> source in the middle of a season.  I guess this is the real thesis of this
>> paper.
>>
>>    Unless anyone has a better idea we think the solution is a charge each
>> time a title is transferred.  A sort of sales tax, if you want to view it in
>> that light, or as though it were a restrictive clause that survives a house
>> sale or a broker's commission that repeats every time the agent re-sells
>> that particular house, or a residual when new viewers see a re-run.   No
>> matter the rational, the bottom line is that it becomes a powerful tool for
>> the SELLER of  his or her boat:  " When you buy my boat the builder is going
>> to continue to give you, the new owner, ongoing support to your questions
>> and parts that you may one day need and even help  you when you want to sell
>> your boat."    We think this a tremendous selling pull - to which we can add
>> a push on the buying side:   "Ask the person selling you this particular
>> Rhodes if they are on board with GB's voluntary re-sale terms.   If your
>> seller tells you they are, then make sure the seller gives you their
>> numbered Loyalty/Ro!
>>  yalty certificate.  If your seller tells you that they are not going along
>> with GB's voluntary private re-sale program and you buy their boat anyway,
>> then you have to understand that it is only fair and reasonable that GB will
>> not be giving you its time and attention at the expense of all those sellers
>> and buyers who are providing ongoing support to keeping General Boats a
>> capable, vital, operating company.
>>
>>    We have field tested this idea and the results have been encouraging.
>> A few sellers have told us we must be nuts. But many appreciated the mutual
>> advantages.  One seller, who told us to our face where to go with this
>> radical idea, later sent us a letter, with a check in it, saying that he had
>> thought it over and came to understand that the reasoning was exactly
>> correct.
>>                                                                       IN
>> CONCLUSION
>>
>>        We understand that those of you who have not been in business for
>> yourself, may not be cognizant of the endless vacuum crevices in every
>> business, sucking out the dollars generated by trying to stay on the
>> business cash flow treadmill.   Just a small example:  Can you imagine that
>> GB pays a "personal property tax" on its cars and also pays a "personal
>> Business property tax" on the same cars:  (The tax title alone is idiotic.)
>>   Added to the standard business cash sucking faults,  GB has the burden of
>> the ever growing private sales market:  "I am thinking of buying Joe Blow's
>> boat.  Can you tell me the hull number?  Can you look up and get me the
>> prior owner?  Can you check your records to see it there were any problems
>> with this boat?  He is asking $X dollars, do you think that is a fair
>> price?"  And sellers:  "I'm thinking of selling my boat.  It's an 88.  Here
>> is a list of the items it has.  What do you think would be a good price.
>>  Oh, yea, I need one of those thi!
>>  ngs for the boom.  Can you get it out to me next day - I have some lookers
>> coming from SC."
>>
>>        For those who still believe GB no way contributes to every privately
>> sold Rhodes;  For those who believe. "sure, GB dollars and time make private
>> sales possible but it should be a free-be that goes with the territory"' ;
>> For those who believe GB can survive such free-bes by simply making it an
>> accounting entry - we invite you to sit in this chair for just one day.
>> After all, we are all in the same boat !  (I just couldn't resist.)
>>
>>    ss
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