[Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And

Fri Aug 7 15:23:22 EDT 2009

Hey Stan;

I don't know about long term business planning, but I sure hope you're not
planning to "shuffle off this mortal coil" anytime soon; and if you do can
we still get support from GBI :)   ??

your friend;

BenC

cowie wrote:
> 
> Stan:
> 
> It looks like you are getting some good ideas, fee as a percent of the
> cost of a boat sale, support fee etc.  All of these ideas seem to have
> merit and I look forward to your thoughts on what will work best for GB. 
> All of these ideas suggest an investment in GB by owners of R22's that I
> think is a win win for all of us.  I subscribe to various associations and
> software support programs in order to maintaine the quality of my 
> architectural services.  I subscribe to these because they bring value
> just as I beleive your program does.  When deciding what architectural
> support products to subscribe to and or purchase I look at the quality and
> health of  the company includiing their long term business plan to make
> sure they are keeping up with the latest technology and will be in
> business when I need their help in the future.  GB has meet all the
> invovative and quality design criteria when I was looking for a new boat
> to purchase however I was not clear on what the GB long term business plan
> is.   It would be helpful for you to share the long term GB plan along
> with any other ideas on how the R22 community can help support that plan.
> 
> Bob Keller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Regarding the LoRo Program:
>> 
>> I think the concept is good and I totally agree with it.  The idea of
>> having "certified" boats that get factory support is a good idea. 
>> Non-certified boats could be charged a fee to be certified, which would
>> be a (5?) % of their purchase price.  If they do not want factory
>> support, they could elect not to pay.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If I did not have factory support I would not have a sailable boat.  If I
>> was ever going to sell Yankee Clipper (no plans to do so) I would have
>> Stan and GB sell it for me.
>> 
>> Bob K
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> From: stan at rhodes22.com
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:02:54 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>>> 
>>> relax guys
>>> 
>>> This was not then, and is not yet, a formalized program - it is in the 
>>> thinking and testing stage where results are beginning to lead to a
>>> solution 
>>> based on a numbered LoRo certificate that a participating seller will
>>> pass 
>>> along with their boat. Since most buyers somehow come in contact with us 
>>> before buying a private sale used boat, they will be made aware of the 
>>> program and ask (or not ask) the seller for this certificate when they
>>> buy 
>>> that boat. The seller that can include the certificate along with the 
>>> title papers, will have a great selling advantage. The seller who opts
>>> to 
>>> not go with the program would not be able to give the buyer the
>>> certificate 
>>> and the buyer hopefully will pass on buying that boat. If the buyer does 
>>> decides to buy a boat where the seller can not include the numbered 
>>> certificate, the buyer will be doing so knowing that they have to move
>>> to 
>>> the end of the line if they ever have to have any future dealings with
>>> GB.
>>> 
>>> What we are open to now, from our thoughtful Rhodies is their take on
>>> this 
>>> gelling.
>>> 
>>> ss
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now Comes General Boats And
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Stan:
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for your long post in explanation of Loyalty/Royalty which I
>>> am
>>> > going to abbreviate with the term "LoRo for future reference. I concur 
>>> > with
>>> > Cowie in that your post should be added as a section to the GBI
>>> website
>>> > perhaps after a little editing. The reason for this is that as a
>>> > prospective owner and buyer, I did not become aware of it until after
>>> > purchasing the boat and joining the list. As a new buyer, I was a
>>> little
>>> > taken aback by facing yet another fee which was nearly as much as the 
>>> > sales
>>> > tax that I paid the State of Texas for the boat. And as you will
>>> recall, 
>>> > I
>>> > was rather defensive about it at the time. By putting this information
>>> > upfront on the website, it can become a part of the negotiation
>>> between
>>> > buyer and seller on a used boat. I doubt seriously that the seller of
>>> my
>>> > boat paid any Lo/Ro fees. I have paid only $ 200.00 toward the buyer
>>> LoRo
>>> > because it caught me by surprise and frankly, these boats ain't
>>> cheap... I
>>> > spent my budget and then some.
>>> >
>>> > Had I known that LoRo was going to be an issue... It would have been 
>>> > brought
>>> > up during the negotiation for the boat. Of course, a buyer can never 
>>> > insure
>>> > that a seller will pay and vise versa but at least I would have had
>>> some
>>> > monies negotiated to cover my end. The buyer will always be the one
>>> very
>>> > interested in the continued operation of GBI and likely to pay for a
>>> > certificate. Most sellers will take the money and run.
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to details of the LoRo program when you notify us of
>>> it...
>>> > Especially how you intend to deal with present owners who have no
>>> vestment
>>> > or only a partial vestment like myself. The only caveat I see and this
>>> > sounds kind of ridiculous; is that I seem to recall some FTC rules
>>> > preventing manufacturers from withholding customer support for 
>>> > manufactured
>>> > goods still in production and then for a certain time period
>>> afterwards if
>>> > production ceases and the company continues in operation. So if lack
>>> of a
>>> > LoRo certificate means a reduced customer support program then you may 
>>> > want
>>> > to check with counsel to make sure of the legality. I don't want you
>>> to 
>>> > go
>>> > out of business and neither do I want you to be sued.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps a "certified" boat owner gets a break on the price of parts
>>> and/or
>>> > goes to the top of the email/telephone queue. I'm sure you will think
>>> of
>>> > something.
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Now comes General Boats
>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> > Message-ID: <24831681.post at talk.nabble.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Stan:
>>> >
>>> > You have done a great job establishing and maintaining the general
>>> boats
>>> > company. The recycle program has been a significant part of your
>>> success.
>>> > As a buisness owner I can appreciate the challanges and opportuniites 
>>> > trying
>>> > to provide a product to be proud of and stay afloat at the same time.
>>> I 
>>> > am
>>> > in favor of a Loyalty/Royalty program along with any other specific
>>> > suggestions from GB. It would be helpful to have a clear statement on
>>> the
>>> > GB business plan and how we as a community of owners can support GB to
>>> > contribute to and benefit from the win/win/win conditions you aim to
>>> > support. Maybe this is already included on the GB web site however
>>> clear
>>> > communication of your message to current and future community members 
>>> > would
>>> > be helpful.
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