[Rhodes22-list] communication leaks

[Todd Tavares]

   I wish Ed was still here so he could remind us how to search the
Archives.  This thread reminds me of words spoken by the
great Yogi Berra, "This is like deja vu all over again." LOL

Todd T

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Leland
  To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] communication leaks
  Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT)



  Rob,

  I've always assumed there is no connection between the lazarette and
  the
  bilge because I'll frequently get water in either one without getting
  it in
  the other.

  The GBI website states:

  "Instead, a separate mold creates a cockpit floor that extends the
  full
  width of the boat with the aft end turning up to form a Lazaret."

  and

  "The area in the large enclosed locking lazaret is not self-bailing."

  Neither of those statements say the lazarette does not connect to the
  bilge,
  but if the cockpit doesn't drain to the bilge and it's part of the
  same mold
  as the lazarette, then it seems like the lazarette wouldn't connect
  to the
  bilge either. Not sure.

  Lee



  Rob Lowe wrote:
  >
  > Joe,
  > So, if I now understand your communication, water that would
  normally
  > collect in the bilge is collecting under the laz due to the angle
  at
  > which your boat is currently sitting? You do seem to have some sort
  of
  > a crack around the through hull fitting as it enters into the laz
  and
  > that water is seeping into the laz, which to me would indicate
  you're
  > got a fair amount of water in there. I would expect if your to
  level
  > your boat the water would travel to the bilge? Lee suggests there
  is no
  > connection between bilge and laz but I'm not sure that is the case.
  I
  > don't believe there is any physical separation between the two.
  > Now I agree that water seeping out of the base of the through hull
  > fitting is of concern, it sounds like there is a crack where the
  fitting
  > is glassed into the boat and water collecting under it is seeping
  in.
  > Just my guess. - rob
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
  > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Babb
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:24 AM
  > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
  > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] communication leaks
  >
  > All,
  > I am reminded of the phrase "what we have here is a failure to
  > communicate" and also Sir Francis Bacon's discussion of pitfalls
  > in communication.
  >
  > I "think" I have resolved my question for the moment. My concern
  > was that I didn't understand why water should be seeping out at
  > the BASE of the through hull fitting in the lazarette. I wasn't
  > trying to find out specifically where water was getting into the
  > boat originally. I was trying to get an answer to why it was
  > seeping at the base of the through
  >
  > hull (he said redundantly, once more).
  >
  > What many folks including Stan missed was my remark that the boat
  > was sitting on a hill with the stern downhill. I should have
  > shown a picture of the boat, but didn't. In the pictures of the
  > laz, I should have indicated with an arrow the direction of water
  > flow towards the stern. But I didn't. Comments about it not
  > being possible for water to
  >
  > flow from the bilge to the laz made me search in other directions
  > which lead to serious concerns about the cockpit floor. What was
  > missed was the fact that the boat is sitting on a hill. So it IS
  > possible for water to flow from the bilge to the laz with the
  > stern downhill. It just takes its own sweet time about it. The
  > bilge does communicate with
  >
  > the lazarette and other regions of the boat. This gives one a
  > common place to sponge up water acquired via any kind of leak,
  > above or below the waterline. But the boat must be level or
  > nearly so for gravity to do its thing.
  >
  > After talking with Stan I have learned that there is probably
  > nothing abnormal about my situation. I still think it is screwy
  > that water should seep from where it seeps. Unless the boat has
  > its nose in the air, like it does now, you'd never see this. If
  > the water was seeping from an intentional orifice in the laz, I
  > would never have been worried. As it is, it is possibly because
  > the fiberglass tabbing of the
  >
  > cockpit to the laz floor didn't take just in that one spot.
  >
  > In the course of investigation, though, I did find 4 of the 8
  > screws holding the table leg flange were stripped. So I will be
  > repairing that. But the flange is glued securely to the floor
  > anyhow. As one person pointed out, this does not mean that water
  > doesn't get in under that flange. So when I have some time, I'll
  > level the boat and fill the
  >
  > cockpit up and see what happens.
  > Hope all this makes sense.
  > Joe
  >
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