[Rhodes22-list] Foredeck support bracket
Blue Heron
sloopblueheron at gmail.com
Thu Jan 1 15:44:52 EST 2009
Alan,
Your compression post should be based on the plywood beam that supports the
head and fore cabin floor.
Rick
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Alan Robertson <bigal_61 at msn.com> wrote:
> I wonder if Stan Spitzer would have any suggestions about this condition,
> or even if the bowing you refer to is part of the design? Our mast post
> appears to rest on top of the forward part of the fin keel housing ('83
> boat) and seemed to be solidly in place last Summer. Thanks for the "heads
> up!!"
>
> Alan & Barbara Robertson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net<mailto:
> jimtracyjohnston at centurytel.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Foredeck support bracket
>
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>
>
> Out 1986 R-22 has the mast bracket on top of the cabin supported by a
> solid post in the cabin that is the end of the wall between the head
> area and galley. The bottom of the support post set on the 3/4" plywood
> floor. In our boat there is an inspection cover which is part of the
> floor over the centerboard trunk. When I lifted the inspection cover I
> could see the area of the floor under the mast support post was being
> pushed down and had an obvious bow (curve) in the floor. Under this
> section of the floor is the shallow keel which is weighted with, what
> looks like, cement. I glued two pieces of treated 2x4-6 together and
> made a additional brace that I forced in under the bowed floor. The
> top was flat to fit under the floor with short sides and the bottom
> rounded to fit the area over the keel area. This modification was
> completed easily and inexpensively. Did it work? I don't know. I only
> sailed a handful of times and my centerboard was pushed up through the
> trunk cap. The cap has 101 (plus of minus) nuts and bolts holding the
> cap to the CB trunk flange. I made temporary repairs to the CB cap
> with an inadequate gasket and was more concerned with sinking than
> sagging until I could get my boat out for the winter. So, check the
> base of your mast support to see if there is any compromise in the
> floor under the support. Good Luck
>
> Quoting hnw555 at gmail.com<mailto:hnw555 at gmail.com>:
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Boats flex and move. IMHO .25 inch is nothing to worry about.
> >
> > Hank
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Andrew Collins" <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com<mailto:
> sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>>
> >
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:12:19
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Foredeck support bracket
> >
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > Yes, the 'sandwich' of gelcoat, core and cabin liner move as one. The
> core
> > is wood. The aft inner corners of the interior hatch trim frames move
> down
> > under compression and back up for winter storage.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com
> >wrote<mailto:hparsons at parsonsys.com%3Ewrote>:
> >
> > > Andrew,
> > >
> > > Can you see compression of the ceiling inside the cabin? By this I
> mean,
> > > is it possible that the .25" you're seeing is the gelcoat only
> > > compressing, and not the entire fiberglass shell?
> > >
> > > I would look to see if the ceiling is compressing as well. If not, my
> > > suspicions would lie with your core material in the fiberglass, in
> which
> > > case shoring up your compression post won't do anything for you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Andrew Collins wrote:
> > > > The foredeck, concretely the area forward of the mast binnacle which
> in
> > > my
> > > > '86 (recycled 2006) depresses about .25" as soon as the mast is
> raised.
> > > > There is a hatch on both the port and starboard sides. The port
> hatch was
> > > > there in '06, the starboard one was added in '06. My feeling is the
> arch
> > > > formed by the top of the cabin trunk has been weakened a bit by the
> > > removal
> > > > of the material which allowed the installation of the hatches.
> > > > More info: no cracking of the gelcoat or cabin liner is evident; to
> > > casual
> > > > observation my 200+ lbs weight on the spot between the hatches
> causes no
> > > > additional deflection; the depressed spot returns to the original
> shape a
> > > > few days after stepping the mast; on this boat the compression post
> is
> > > aft
> > > > and to port of the mast step.
> > > >
> > > > My bright idea is to make a wooden bracket jig (later to be
> duplicated in
> > > > stainless steel) that would attach under the mast step and on the
> > > > compression post. This diagonal member would be about 8-10" long and
> have
> > > > plates at both under the deck and at the compression post to allow
> for
> > > the
> > > > generous use of screws. This will interfere with the head curtain,
> which
> > > > could be lowered.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone had a similar problem? Since the flexing seems to be
> within
> > > the
> > > > limits of what the structure can take, i.e. it is not permanent and
> no
> > > > damage results, is the brighter idea to do nothing?
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > > sv Carmen
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