[Rhodes22-list] John Shulick - I draw a distiction

[Herb Parsons]

No, your wording was fine. I understood it perfectly. Our viewpoints are 
just vastly different.

If I'm an employer, and I decide to terminate an employee, because he's 
performing poorly, or even because he's doing OK, but I have someone 
else in the wings that can do it better for the same or less money, I'm 
no more an SOB than he would be if he left my employ for something better.

If I make the same choice concerning hundreds of employees, I'm STILL 
not an SOB. I'm a business man conducting a business.

And your generalization about businessmen is no more universally 
accurate than a generalization about greedy workers who only look out 
for themselves and what they can squeeze out of their employers.

If you go back and look at the employer/employee relationship in this 
country, you'll find that it mimics many human endeavors. A downtrodden 
group achieves a level of power, eventually a level of equality, and 
then excessive power, and then becomes the tyrant themselves.

I see no more "evil" or SOBness in the actions of the employers at 
places like GM than I do in the Unions of the same company. Both have 
done more than their fair share of selfish activities.

And I STILL maintain that no one can use what others have done to them 
as an excuse for domestic violence. A decent honorable man will remain a 
decent honorable man to his family no matter what others are doing to him.



John Shulick wrote:
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> "Anyone who commits "domestic violence" because of a job situation IS the 
> SOB, not the person who shipped the job overseas."
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>  Perhaps my choice of words was poor, the person who created the conditions
> for the domestic violence to occur is far worse than the mere SOB who beat
> his wife and kids. His greed has created thousands of SOBs' with a stroke of
> a pen.
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> "Why? Why is it wrong for those who "glibly ship millions of jobs 
> oversees". Those are THEIR jobs to ship where they please."
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>  Please understand the next statements are not meant to mock you but to
> illustrate my point in this discussion.
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>  Why? Why should I care about a bunch of New Yorkers who happened to be in
> the wrong building on 9/11? 
>  Why? Why should I care about a bunch of people stranded on Roofs during
> Katrina?
>  Why? Why should I care about some injured on the side of the road.
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>  I care because they are Americans and Americans look out for each other and
> realize that they are in this together. The corporate elite in this country
> care only about stuffing their pockets. They refuse to acknowledge that
> without the dedication and sacrifice of their employees their businesses
> would fail.
> They demand private ownership of profits and the socialism of risk and loss
> as was evidenced in 1987
> and 2008. Their greed drove the price of gas to over $4.00 and shorted the
> investment banking community to collapse while they skimmed billions off the
> top. Thread by thread they are unraveling the tapestry that makes America
> the unique miracle that it is. As we are forced down to third world status,
> as the gap between the haves and the have nots grow, expect to see more and
> more of the have nots worrying about only themselves and looking out for
> No.1 and to hell with anyone else. Civilization is a construct we agree to
> because we feel we are better off as a whole than as a group of individuals.
> That is why you stop at red lights etc...If I and my wife were working 40+
> hrs. a week and we cant provide for our selves and our kids, why should I
> follow your laws and act in a civilized manner? If you feel you can do
> better by shipping those jobs oversees you should be deported to the country
> where you sent the jobs to because since you have no concern for me I have
> none for you. 
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> In the spirit of open debate.
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> John Shulick
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Herb Parsons