[Rhodes22-list] Heaving to
MichaelT
mticse at gmail.com
Mon Jul 27 10:26:41 EDT 2009
Thanks Art!
Last year, the first season with the Rhodes I was shown this procedure by
Jay Friedland.
And I've forgotten already! What happens to the mainsail? If I remember
correctly the main is just let out.
Its the jib that matters, in essence doing a false tack (not letting the jib
sheet go) and keeping the tiller in the leeward/opposite position.
Thanks for reminding!
Michael
Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> As an intro, I sail out of St Pete and Lake Hartwell with es-steamed
> Rhodies such as the Rumster and former Tootle. When the lake goes south,
> like 23' or so down last winter, then I go south to Tampa Bay waters. The
> Corps has not yet figured out how to lower the Gulf waters, in fact I am
> told that it will actually rise during the 21st century. Am I right, Lee?
> If you travel south I may be able to to invite you, as others, to a sail
> on Boca Ciega Bay, if I am there at the same time.
>
> Here is an important maneuver I practice often, and you may already been
> practicing yourself, given that your wife can get sensitive about heeling
> your boat. As you encounter a sudden storm on the water, or the water
> gets rough, one excellent way to calm the nerves and settle the pitching
> of your boat is to "heave to" and take a chance to relax. Not a bad
> option if you want to fix a meal or use the head. When I used the term
> with my wife's sister, she thought I was referring to heaving over the
> side...
>
> In heaving to you are effectively moving near-backward, pushed by the
> wind, although riding up and down on the waves, as opposed to driving
> through the waves. You will hear different 'takes' on how the maneuver is
> accomplished, try them, and see what you choose to do. When you heave to,
> preferrably with a normal sized foresail, ie not a fully deployed 175%
> genoa, You tack the boat, holding the tiller over, and simply hold the
> sail on the same side. If you were to let the sail go to the other side,
> you will will begin a new tack. If you hold the sail, you will be 'hove
> to'. Try it, you'll like it. Try it, your wife will really like it. It
> will build sure confidence.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 25, 2009 2:41 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Partial Mainsail
>>
>>
>>I went out today to try a few of the suggestions made. I think today was
one
>>of my best sailing days.
>>Wind was about 9-12 mph. I reefed the mainsail to about 3/4 vs 1/2. This
>>time I let out the jib approx 1/3 about 1-2 ft from the stays. The boat
>>generally stayed flat. The boat did heel slightly when the wind gusted
12+.
>>I also had the jib sheets between the stays and I was able to get an
>>improved closed haul heading better than when the jib sheets were outside
of
>>the stays.
>>
>>It was a beautiful time and maybe my best day and it felt like I took it
to
>>hull speed.
>>
>>While I've never lowered down the boom, I will someday try just to
>>experience the effect. My family is very happy w/ the pop-top up and could
>>how constraining it would be w/ the pop-top down and the danger of being
>>smacked by the boom.
>>
>>I made a connection w/ sternway when I was backing out my slip and then it
>>popped that when going backwards on a tack on a possible stall that
>>reversing the tiller to windward may do the job. This too will be another
>>trick I can try and see if I can judge in the moment of feeling that I'm
>>going backwards.
>>
>>Thanks all,
>>Michael
>>
>>
>>Leland wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> You're getting lots of good advice.
>>>
>>> You'll have a little less heel with the board up. From the Rhodes
>>> Owners'
>>> Site under FAQs under Rhodes vs. Com-Pac vs. Precisions: 5. Retract the
>>> centerboard part way in a big breeze. The board is intentionally modest
>>> in
>>> weight, and does not contribute significantly to stability up or down.
>>> Raising the board part way will reduce both heel and weather helm.
>>>
>>> The quote refers to Precisions. If I raise the board all the way on my
>>> Rhodes it usually only reduces heel by about 3 degrees but your wife may
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> In an 8-10 knot wind, lowering the boom will reduce heel also.
>>>
>>> As Dave mentioned the boat sails better with two sails. For the amount
>>> of
>>> wind you described you probably weren't going fast enough to tack. Come
>>> off the wind enough to get up some speed and you'll then be able to turn
>>> her sharply into the wind.
>>>
>>> When I first got my Rhodes I typically had too much sail out. You were
>>> wise to be conservative in your sail plan, but without any headsail and
>>> so
>>> little main you probably couldn't get enough speed to tack even if you
>>> had
>>> come off the wind. Last week I was in a 12 knot wind. On a close reach
>>> with balanced sails with the board up and my 190 lbs of rail meat, I had
>>> less than 20 degrees of heel with the boom up and the main reefed to
>>> 80%.
>>> With the boom down I had the same heel with 100% main. I have my
>>> mainsail
>>> furling line marked for reefs at 60% and 80%. If I have to reef the
>>> tiny
>>> little main beyond 60%, it's too windy for me (over 20 knots) and I go
>>> home.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Lee
>>> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
>>> Kent Island, MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> david.walker5 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> Tacking with the jib, especially very light or heavy wind can be
>>>> challenging
>>>> too. The problem is the jib is very powerfull and it wants to push the
>>>> boat
>>>> away from the tack. One technique that has worked for me is something
>>>> I
>>>> borrowed from sailing a square rigger. When you push the tiller to
>>>> lee,
>>>> loosen the jibe immediately, but do not let the sheet fly.(for those
>>>> interested its called scandalizing the jib) This reduces the drive of
>>>> the
>>>> sail and allows it to turn up wind. Just as the bow comes into the
>>>> wind,
>>>> tighten the sheet a little. The wind will then backwind the jib and
>>>> push
>>>> the
>>>> bow the rest of the way onto the new tack. As you come through the
>>>> wind,
>>>> the
>>>> wind on the new tack will push the sail across to the new tack. In
>>>> really
>>>> heavy wind you may end up "in stays" or headed into the wind and start
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>> pushed backwards. In that case as I said in an earlier post, shift the
>>>> rudder (tiller to windward) and the boat will back onto the new tack
>>>> and
>>>> start to sail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Walker
>>>>
>>>> www.davidwalkerphotography.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Stephen Staum" <staum at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Partial Mainsail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>> I too have a wife who likes to sail flat. I have an '87 w a 184 per
>>>>> cent genoa. I usually start w 1/2 of the genny as the jib really
>>>>> powers this boat. Even w the full main out (alone) u will struggle to
>>>>> come about. Also, if u have the full jib out in light winds, it can be
>>>>> very difficult 2 get the jib 2 come across when coming about. It is
>>>>> often easier 2 jibe or roll up 1/2 the jib b4 come about is started.
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>> Stephen Staum
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:47 PM, MichaelT <mticse at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Went out with the family on Sunday and wanted to play it safe.
>>>>>> Drew the IMF mainsail approx halfway on the boom (the letter R on
>>>>>> the sail
>>>>>> wasn't showing).
>>>>>> Wanted to keep things simple and used no jib. Centerboard was down
>>>>>> all the
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>> The boat stayed flat as a pancake which was the desired effect.
>>>>>> My wife wants no heeling whatsoever. Problem I had was I couldn't
>>>>>> tack.
>>>>>> It even had a hard time getting into irons and just couldn't cutover.
>>>>>> The only way I could change direction was to spin 2/3's around in a
>>>>>> jibe.
>>>>>> I didn't want to experiment and let out more sail so we just enjoyed
>>>>>> sailing
>>>>>> the next hour like this.
>>>>>> Is this normal behaviour? What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Michael
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