[Rhodes22-list] general boat's dilema

ALICE WEISZ amicw5 at msn.com
Tue Jul 28 14:24:45 EDT 2009


Does the GB website have a place for buyer ratings?  I know that when I'm looking at something online, I always look to see what previous buyers (either of product or from site) had to say about their experience.


Alice


 

> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:00:41 -0400
> From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's dilema
> 
> Art,
> 
> Using owners at shows sounds like a good idea. Carver has success with that
> at the Cleveland show, dressing everyone up the same way in blue blazers.
> 
> I doubt any mass media advertising would have payback. Since all the major
> sailing magazines have been pushing for so long the Catalina wave that you
> start at 22 feet and buy up from there, a GBI ad would be swamped. Maybe
> direct mail to long-time owners on state and Coast Guard sailboat
> registration lists, pushing the R22 as a quality downsize option?
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky <
> czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > John, Rob,
> >
> > You may recall that Stan proposed a stripped down version, call it a racing
> > model, on the list a few years ago, and although I expressed interest in
> > this new boat option to him, maybe others too, no further information was
> > provided to my knowledge. Back at that time Stan expressed his ability to
> > produce, and now maybe he will further reconsider and tell us more about
> > what he had in mind. I still am interested, speaking for myself as a
> > potential buyer. I will watch for any response. Did anyone get detailed
> > information on this boat?
> >
> > I have suggested the value of baseline ad exposure. If nothing else,
> > targeted reinforcement to the boat show displays that are so important.
> > Maybe followup visits by experienced skippers. I have been told by one of
> > our newer skippers that my 'hot dog hospitality' aboard Mary Jane at the '07
> > show tipped the sale toward his boat purchase with him and his wife. BTW,
> > no commission provided or requested. The presence of skippers at the show
> > is valuable - a third party evaluation of their own boat, and with 'no axe
> > to grind'. Consider it for yourself in support of Stan, as I did twice.
> > You would have one very positive impression of how GB and a huge number of
> > other boat makers reach their customers. Our skippers who are so willing to
> > give demos, whether at shows or not, are such valuable ambassadors for GB.
> > Having done it a number of times, it is really fun as well as being
> > productive. Try it, you'll like it! Let's be specific - Can some of you
> > skipper demos at Annapoli!
> > s or St Pete or elsewhere?
> >
> > Cutting to the chase, who has some real connections to options and selling
> > /advertising connections that could help get Stan and GB out of this 'black
> > hole' that the company appears to be in? It could be just a few positive
> > levers to pull that would enable better results, even in our current puuuny
> > economy. Who is willing to pen letters of endorsement to prospects/suspects
> > that could tip the scales, one by one. Time to get the horses out of the
> > barn, guys.
> >
> > Like Mark Twain or someone else once said, let's get the P in our Pot!
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Art
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> > >Sent: Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint (continued)
> > >
> > >
> > >Rob,
> > >
> > >Yep that pretty much covers it. Now what would the price point be for such
> > a
> > >boat? I have the origional literature that came with my 71 and you should
> > >see that show package special price!!!
> > >
> > >John S.
> > >
> > >
> > >Rob Lowe wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Drop the IMF, ditch the head, the water tank, the fancy motor lift, and
> > >> re-model the interior? Now you have my 1976 boat! I do have battery
> > >> though. - rob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Shulick
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:52 AM
> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint (continued)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Rick,
> > >>
> > >> I see your point clearly on the subject but I also see Davids idea of
> > >> options to increase sales. How about dropping the IMF, ditch the head,
> > >> the
> > >> on board water tank, the batteries, the fancy motor lift, re-model the
> > >> interior and selling it as a "sport model" My wife and I live on the
> > >> boat
> > >> almost every weekend and find a porta potty and crank lights sufficient.
> > >> Being a camper before a sailor I have found the R22 to be a first class
> > >> floating campground without the pain of hiking in. I also have had the
> > >> perverse pleasure one weekend of sailing rings around a macgregor 26
> > >> using
> > >> it like a no wake buoy as the kids pleaded at their father to make the
> > >> mac
> > >> go faster. Racer/Cruiser is more fun than Cruiser/Racer. Even if you're
> > >> not
> > >> racing its fun to be faster.
> > >>
> > >> Respectfully submitted,
> > >> John Shulick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Rick-139 wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> David,
> > >>>
> > >>> I hate to be the wet blanket again. But racing sailboats is a whole
> > >>> 'nother
> > >>> market. The key to convincing a customer to buy a sailboat for racing
> > >> is
> > >>> to
> > >>> convince him or her that they will have lots of other sailboats to
> > >> race
> > >>> against.
> > >>>
> > >>> In the one design game, it involves high volume production and a
> > >>> distribution system that can execute geographically concentrated sales
> > >> and
> > >>> support. J Boats has been successful doing that in the Great Lakes
> > >> with
> > >>> the
> > >>> J 22 and other longer models. Plus, J Boats has a respectable history
> > >> of
> > >>> maintaining one design integrity.
> > >>>
> > >>> Of course, there's always PHRF racing. But how many 20 - 25 foot
> > >> cruising
> > >>> sailboat owners are left with an interest in racing?
> > >>>
> > >>> Unlike 30 years ago, most people today who buy cruising or day sailing
> > >>> boats
> > >>> in the low 20's length are first timers. From there, they either drop
> > >> out
> > >>> or they move to larger boats more popular for cruising, racing or
> > >> both.
> > >>> Catalina and Hunter have turned the market into that by making cheap
> > >>> starter
> > >>> boats people can easily abandon for yachts. Stan's main problem is he
> > >> now
> > >>> has a product that goes against the prevailing mindset that has
> > >> evolved
> > >>> for
> > >>> his market.
> > >>>
> > >>> Did you read the article "The Little Boat that Could" in August issue
> > >> of
> > >>> Sailing? The title itself is a reflection of that mindset. And
> > >> despite
> > >>> all
> > >>> kinds of compliments about the R22, the piece ends with: "More
> > >> important,
> > >>> where does one get a new tiller for a Rhodes 22?" That's some insult
> > >> to a
> > >>> builder who has admirably supported his product for decades. But
> > >> again,
> > >>> that's part of the same mindset.
> > >>>
> > >>> Rick
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:04 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Rick:
> > >>>> What I am saying is that this boat is unique and I can't go down to
> > >> the
> > >>>> local boatyard and get some of the major parts that I might need.
> > >> Also,
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> can't send an email or make a phone call to the guy who built the
> > >> boat at
> > >>>> most places and expect a response. That's probably worth something
> > >> to
> > >>>> keep
> > >>>> the operation rolling as long as Stan does his part. I don't think
> > >> you
> > >>>> ought to pay royalty/loyalty if you don't get anything for it. If
> > >> the
> > >>>> group
> > >>>> feels we are getting something worth paying for, then I'm just
> > >> suggesting
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> small stipend annually to Stan which if everyone participates might
> > >> be a
> > >>>> better solution then a percentage up front facing new owners for
> > >>>> loyalty/royalty. The 5% on the seller side will figure into the
> > >> price
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> it gets the new owner out of any obligation to pay a royalty/loyalty
> > >> up
> > >>>> front for two years. Then, continued association membership will
> > >> require
> > >>>> the annual dues.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Imagine if you bought a Ford or Chevy used and then were asked to
> > >> send a
> > >>>> 5%
> > >>>> fee to the factory. Nobody would... but this is not a Ford or Chevy.
> > >> I
> > >>>> figure some type of ongoing support is probably reasonable as long as
> > >> we
> > >>>> get
> > >>>> good owner support and parts availability. For example, if someone
> > >> comes
> > >>>> along and hits my rudder in the slip and I need a new one, there
> > >> ought to
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> a spare waiting at the factory to ship out. If someone blows a sail
> > >>>> out,
> > >>>> there should be one ready to ship and the right color too. I don't
> > >> know
> > >>>> if
> > >>>> this is the case at GBI because spare parts mean overhead and I don't
> > >>>> know
> > >>>> how much overhead Stan is willing to carry. Maybe parts for
> > >> non-members
> > >>>> ought to carry a premium that members don't have to pay-so another
> > >> added
> > >>>> incentive to be one of the family.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I hear what you are saying about the market. Long term, owners are
> > >> not
> > >>>> going to be the ones to keep GBI afloat. You have got to get new
> > >>>> customers
> > >>>> through the door. There have been a lot of good suggestions given by
> > >> a
> > >>>> lot
> > >>>> of experienced people on the list. My experiences with family run
> > >>>> businesses are that we are very happy to take your money but you can
> > >> keep
> > >>>> your advice to yourself. However, Stan seems open to some
> > >> suggestions.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Stan has an excellent product, more people need to know about it as
> > >>>> someone
> > >>>> has mentioned. A new boat is becoming cost prohibitive for most,
> > >> the
> > >>>> recycling is a good second market but I think you need a "less
> > >> frills"
> > >>>> model
> > >>>> to get younger couples through the doors. You would have to be able
> > >> to
> > >>>> build it with the same quality, using the same molds at an attractive
> > >>>> price
> > >>>> point and I don't know if that is possible. I thought maybe a
> > >> stripped
> > >>>> down
> > >>>> racing version might be a solution. Racers don't need much down
> > >> below
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> will pay for quality above. The Rhodes is faster then a Catalina to
> > >>>> being
> > >>>> with and that would appeal to a lot of people.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just my thoughts,
> > >>>> David
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:28:36 -0400
> > >>>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint (continued)
> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>> <52e9a140907261428v6feebf53l4e923711b987ec30 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When I was considering buying my R22, the PO said, "I can give you
> > >> the
> > >>>> home
> > >>>> phone number of the guy who makes the boat and he will talk to you at
> > >> any
> > >>>> time." Of course, that tilted me to buy his boat and subsequently
> > >> buy
> > >>>> many
> > >>>> things from Stan.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are you suggesting Stan discontinues this attractive offering in the
> > >>>> shrunken marketplace for pocket cruiser sailboats? I think it will
> > >> just
> > >>>> turn customers toward high volume boats where technical information
> > >> and
> > >>>> spare parts are readily available.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rick
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > Stan:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Thank you for your insight into the business. I dare say that most
> > >>>> > sailboat
> > >>>> > owners don't get the inside track on happenings at the factory; if
> > >> the
> > >>>> > factory is even still in business that is.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I want to comment on the loyalty/royalty program concerning the
> > >> Rhodes.
> > >>>> My
> > >>>> > experience in boat ownership over the years is that a used boat
> > >>>> purchaser
> > >>>> > always spends the maximum funds set aside for the purchase. Either
> > >> the
> > >>>> > purchase price and the taxes consume the entire amount or the new
> > >> owner
> > >>>> > takes any funds left and applies them to things the boat needs.
> > >> And we
> > >>>> all
> > >>>> > know that used boats need something all the time.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > It is a bit of a sticky wicket let's say, to request from a new
> > >> owner 5
> > >>>> %
> > >>>> > of
> > >>>> > the purchase price be paid to GBI when they have probably spent
> > >> more
> > >>>> money
> > >>>> > then they intended to begin with. The Rhodes 22 is the top of the
> > >>>> scale
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> > 22' boats and used prices are not cheap. We see it all the time on
> > >> the
> > >>>> > list... Folks are interested in the Rhodes but they are trying to
> > >>>> purchase
> > >>>> > it on a "Catalina" budget; so they "lurk" on the list either saving
> > >> up
> > >>>> > their
> > >>>> > cash or hoping to see a cheap boat come up for sale whereby they
> > >>>> promptly
> > >>>> > go
> > >>>> > off-list and complete the transaction.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > You will remember in my case, that I sent GBI a check for $ 200.00
> > >> to
> > >>>> cover
> > >>>> > the promotional materials you sent me-but that was not 5% of the
> > >> price
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> > paid. In the meantime, I have enjoyed the technical support that I
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> > received as a member of the list from the owners and from yourself.
> > >>
> > >>>> That
> > >>>> > is
> > >>>> > worth something, even though I didn't realize it in the beginning.
> > >>
> > >>>> This
> > >>>> > boat and this list are pretty unique to the boating world.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I propose and this will make some people on this list unhappy, in
> > >> fact,
> > >>>> > very
> > >>>> > unhappy.... An Owner's association with an annual fee. For that
> > >> annual
> > >>>> > fee,
> > >>>> > you have got to provide something however. Which is another
> > >> problem
> > >>>> with
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> > royalty fee upfront; people always need to feel that they are
> > >> getting
> > >>>> > something for their money. In this case, for the annual
> > >> association
> > >>>> fee:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Admission to the list
> > >>>> > Technical support either from members or the factory
> > >>>> > Availability and a price list of parts, sails, etc. that is kept up
> > >> to
> > >>>> date
> > >>>> > so I can purchase it from you if I need something.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Except for the parts and prices, this is pretty much what we are
> > >> doing
> > >>>> > already. Maybe you could come up with some member specials on
> > >> pricing
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> > time to time for sails or parts or write an occasional article that
> > >>>> only
> > >>>> > members would get. I don't want to burden you with a bunch of
> > >> extra
> > >>>> work,
> > >>>> > but there needs to be something unique about membership. In this
> > >> way,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> > new owner would feel they are getting something and it would
> > >> generate
> > >>>> > revenue for you over the longer term. As part of the membership,
> > >> if we
> > >>>> > agree to give you 5% of the selling price when we sell, then I
> > >> don't
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> > problem with it; especially if the list helps my estate sell the
> > >> boat.
> > >>>> > I'll
> > >>>> > even stipulate it in my will. I figure if I owe a "loyalty fee",
> > >> it is
> > >>>> > probably to the list members who have taken their time and been so
> > >>>> helpful
> > >>>> > over the years. If paying you a "royalty" fee helps keep GBI in
> > >>>> business
> > >>>> > then that helps them and you. As a seller, if I pay 5% then it
> > >> gets my
> > >>>> > buyer on the list free for two years. Then he/she can do the
> > >>>> responsible
> > >>>> > thing and start paying their own royalty/loyalty dues.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > The other situation which started the discussion in the beginning
> > >> has
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> > with after-market products or other parts unique to the Rhodes. If
> > >> a
> > >>>> > member
> > >>>> > has an after-market item to sell to the list which is unique to the
> > >>>> Rhodes
> > >>>> > and/or would normally be available from GBI for sale, then he/she
> > >> goes
> > >>>> > through you. They can advertise it and discuss it; but I buy it
> > >> from
> > >>>> you
> > >>>> > after you have added your mark up or it cannot be advertised on the
> > >>>> > member's
> > >>>> > list by another member or by a third party. Simple as that. They
> > >> are
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> > supplier of General Boats and you are the distributor to me.
> > >>>> Obviously,
> > >>>> > the
> > >>>> > list membership information is kept proprietary to prevent direct
> > >>>> marketing
> > >>>> > by a third party. If a member tries to go behind your back... we
> > >> can
> > >>>> take
> > >>>> > care of that. If something comes up for sale on the open-market
> > >> that
> > >>>> is
> > >>>> > unique to the Rhodes 22 and there are legal issues, then that is a
> > >>>> > discussion for lawyers and not for this forum.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Right now MJM is administering the list. I think he or whomever
> > >> takes
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> > those duties gets their membership free.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > I hope you will take these suggestions under advisement and if it
> > >> is of
> > >>>> > interest, let us know what you think the annual membership fee
> > >> should
> > >>>> be.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > For everyone else, let the flaming begin.... But just keep in mind
> > >>>> what
> > >>>> > the
> > >>>> > purpose is here. Trying to come up with something palatable to
> > >> help
> > >>>> GBI
> > >>>> > now
> > >>>> > and us in the long run.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > David
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > PS:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Other thoughts: The Rhodes 22 website is "technically" one of the
> > >> best
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> > have ever seen as far as the boat information goes. However, it
> > >> needs
> > >>>> some
> > >>>> > polish to be a more effective marketing tool. More timely
> > >> information
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> > more emphasis on the recycle program and availability of used boats
> > >>>> comes
> > >>>> > to
> > >>>> > mind since new boat sales are down. Also, have you ever considered
> > >> a
> > >>>> new
> > >>>> > "entry level" boat without all the bells and whistles which
> > >> someone
> > >>>> could
> > >>>> > purchase at a bit lower price? You've talked about a racer before.
> > >>>> Could
> > >>>> > you come up with something without having to have new
> > >> molds-marketed as
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> > "Sport" Rhodes 22? Lower the interior weight, put a standard mast
> > >> and
> > >>>> > racing sails on it and a spinaker. Catalina has a "sport model"
> > >> and it
> > >>>> > does
> > >>>> > pretty well I think. Just some ideas I have batted around. dc
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:46:52 -0400
> > >>>> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > >>>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] general boat's complaint (continued)
> > >>>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>> > Message-ID: <038FA83D95464CCFB609CA722206B2D8 at rhodes>
> > >>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Rose and I want to thank you all for indulging GB in the use of
> > >> your
> > >>>> forum
> > >>>> > on an issue that is so basic to GB.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We want to thank those that take issue with our position but
> > >> attempt to
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> > evenhanded. (If academically interested, we can provide exhibits
> > >> and
> > >>>> > witnesses that prove the accuracy of our facts.)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We are empathetic with those who chafe at this sort of thing and
> > >> remain
> > >>>> > silent - in our younger days we probably would have done the same.
> > >> It
> > >>>> was
> > >>>> > not until 50 that we adopted our tribe's slogan of "never again"
> > >> and
> > >>>> took
> > >>>> > on anyone who wronged us: A policeman. A lawyer. a station wagon
> > >>>> full
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > nuns (just kidding about the station wagon), a giant corporation to
> > >>>> > docketing at the US Supreme Court. We prevailed in all these pro
> > >> se
> > >>>> > actions simply because we do not complain unless the facts and
> > >> logic
> > >>>> are
> > >>>> > solidly on our side - but we digress.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > And, in particular, we want to thank those who understand the
> > >> logical
> > >>>> side
> > >>>> > of our position and offered suggestions.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Re the issue of the Loyalty/Royalty program: Its reasoning seems
> > >> so
> > >>>> > correct that it is hard to comprehend dissent. Those thinking us
> > >> crazy
> > >>>> for
> > >>>> > such radical thinking have to sit in this chair for just one day.
> > >>>> > Interestingly, dissenters enjoy products from many segments of
> > >> industry
> > >>>> who
> > >>>> > have already worked out such support programs, yet these dissenters
> > >>>> seem
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> > be drawing their own grandfather clause line as to which industries
> > >>>> should
> > >>>> > not be entitled to residuals on their efforts. Those in this
> > >> group
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> > but to request and we will expand on the good sense of this
> > >> program.
> > >>>> It
> > >>>> > has been emotionally gratifying seeing former members of the "You
> > >> must
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> > crazy" society, when, becoming members of the "List" family, seeing
> > >> the
> > >>>> > light and converting.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Re the issue of the 50 years creating a unique product now having
> > >>>> others
> > >>>> > take bites of its parts for their unilateral gain, if not resolved,
> > >>>> will
> > >>>> > come home to bite us all. ( When I walked out of the hallowed
> > >> halls
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > ole
> > >>>> > PU I vowed not to go into business because I could not stand the
> > >> ethics
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> > saw, and assumed, had to go with that territory. But it was
> > >>>> pre-ordained;
> > >>>> > I
> > >>>> > ended up spending most of my life a driving capitalist. And it
> > >> has
> > >>>> been
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> > blast, for me and my partner of 60 years - because we made the
> > >> making
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > money our secondary goal. (The effects of that kind of religious
> > >>>> fervor
> > >>>> > has surprisingly turned out to be rough on our opponents.) There
> > >> are
> > >>>> ways
> > >>>> > we can go to stop the taking of free bites of the profitable parts
> > >> side
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > GB's business::
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > When we sold Venture Sailboats (Macgregor), dealers could buy sails
> > >>>> > elsewhere and make an additional profit on Roger's creation at
> > >> Roger's
> > >>>> > expense. Roger, who graduated at the top of his class at Stamford,
> > >>>> simply
> > >>>> > raised the price of his boat and included sails. Being the tough
> > >>>> business
> > >>>> > man he is, he did it without notice and dealers had to eat their
> > >> sail
> > >>>> > inventories they bought elsewhere. We are slow learners but could
> > >>>> price
> > >>>> > Rhodes sales to include a part an outside seller has latched onto.
> > >>
> > >>>> Or,
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We could simply be unresponsive to boat owners who purchase parts,
> > >>>> unique
> > >>>> > to
> > >>>> > the Rhodes design, from others in competition with GB or who fail
> > >> to
> > >>>> honor
> > >>>> > agreements with GB. We inherently do not like this retaliatory
> > >> type
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > solution, but it is a solution. Or
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > We could simply close shop and that would close the market for
> > >>>> unauthorized
> > >>>> > parts vendors. This "cutting off ones nose" solution is not our
> > >>>> choice.
> > >>>> > However, not taking on rogue suppliers, eating away at the life
> > >> cash
> > >>>> flow
> > >>>> > of the company, makes it an inevitable solution.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > In an effort to avoid any of the above solutions, based on the
> > >> thinking
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> > List members in this particular complaint of GB vs. Art C, we have
> > >> some
> > >>>> > proposals that we will present to the List next week for your
> > >>>> appreciated
> > >>>> > feedback. The pro bono time we are having to devote to the
> > >> problems
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> > questions of private sale Rhodes is becoming so overwhelming (and
> > >> we
> > >>>> hate
> > >>>> > to
> > >>>> > be mean spirited enough to tell them where to go) that we just
> > >> can't
> > >>>> seem
> > >>>> > to
> > >>>> > manage all of this issue in one sitting.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > ss
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