[Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing

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Mon Mar 2 07:19:18 EST 2009


Caesar,
I am probably one of the most stubborn sailors on this list. I hate having  
stuff on my boat just for the sake of having it. It took me many years before I 
 broke down and purchased a whisker pole. Having done that I am very happy to 
 have it stored in my V berth when not being used. It is probably the best  
purchase (not including rum) that I have made. There are many ways to use it 
and  I'm still learning. It has made the 175 a very useful and dynamic sail.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 9:26:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:

Thanks  guys,

Last Summer was my first sailing season, having   acquired the boat in early 
May.  I sail on a lake and to date more often  than not i have experienced 
light winds, winds in which my 175 collapses even  when reefed somewhat.  As you 
may have experienced, it not fun being dead  in open water, with no motion and 
no shelter.  To might delight, my  wife insisted that I get bimini.  

Next Problem:  I am  looking for a way to sail on most points of sail, if not 
all points of sail in  very light air.  I have found that poling out the 175 
helps a lot on  reach to run legs with light winds.  Without the pole the 175 
collapses  on itself.

I have heard from this list that UPS allows you  to sail on most points of 
sail in very light air, say from 2-3 mph, and not  just on a run.  It will fill 
out,and not collapse even in a chop,  and allow you sail slowly on any point 
of sail, even when others are dead  in the water.

Is there any lake sailor, or sailor in frequent  fickle winds, who can help 
me/us get a fair sense of  the performance of the UPS on the various points of 
sail, and  not just on a run in very light air?

Sailing down wind in light  air, wing on wing, with the genny poled out is a 
lot of fun.  Is it Rummy  who reminded us that doing the same in a good wind 
is close to extreme  sailing.

The question again is: will a UPS allow a Rhodes 22  sailor to sail on all, 
or most points of sail in winds from, say  2 mph?  I am looking for a way to 
beat the "dead in the water  blues."




--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue  Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Blue Heron  <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle  offer on UPS pricing
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:42  PM

Caesar,

ROI = Return On Investment.  I haven't found the  UPS any better than the
175
genny on any tack other than a run.  In  fact, the weight of the genny lets
it keep its shape much better than the  UPS when you heel away from an almost
dead wind.

Albeit, the UPS is  effective and fun on a run in light air.  I was once
first over the  finish line by using my UPS.  The people on shore said my
boat looked  like a frigate plowing through the fleet.  Trouble was, it was a
JAM  race and the committee decided against me on a protest, classifying the
UPS  as a spinaker rather than a jib and only one jib allowed anywey.

If you  do a lot of downwind sailing in light air, consider getting a UPS.   I
just haven't encountered those conditions frequent enough since I got  mine.
Plus, I hate being DNQ.

Rick

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at  5:38 PM, Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

>  Rick,
>
> Was does ROI mean?
>
> Have you been ever  out sailing and there was not enough wind to fill out
> the genny, and  being dead in the water, the UPS got you moving again?
>
>  Thanks,
> Caesar
>
> --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron  <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Blue Heron  <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is  Doyle offer on UPS pricing
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email  List"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 1,  2009, 11:13 AM
>
>  Since the UPS is mounted inside the fore  stay, you need to drop it to
> effectively use the genny.  The  exception to effectively using the genny
is
> when you wing-on-wing  it with the genny.
>
> It doesn't make much sense to use the UPS  partially furled, so the
furler
> is
> mainly a convenience to  deploying and stiking the sail.  I'm averse to
> going
> out  on the bow deck these days and the furler makes it completely possible
>  to manage the sail fully from within the cabin with the pop top up .   (You
> wouldn't want to deploy the UPS anyway when conditions are  not
conducive to
> sailing with the pop top up.)
>
> I've  found I can pretty much get to wind speed on a run using the UPS
>  wing-on-wing with the genny that is is poled out.  However, I  don't
> think the UPS pulls any better than the 175 genny on a reach in  light air.
>
> Since I do mainly coastal day sailing, which means  my light air sailing
> is mainly on a reach to sea breezes or coast  influenced prevailing winds,
> there's only a few days each season I get  an opportunity to run in
> light air.  All-in-all, I've found the  UPS has the lowest ROI of any
> thousand bucks I've spent on my  boat.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM,  cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>  >
> > How do most people like to use the ups, always installed  with furling
> > mechanism or manual only when needed?
>  >
> >
> > R Orkin wrote:
> > >
> >  >
> > >
>  >
>
>
http://www.nabble.com/file/p22235080/Doyle%2BSails%2B2009%2BRhodes%2B22%2BUPS%
2BOffer%2B%25281%2529.pdf
>  > > Doyle+Sails+2009+Rhodes+22+UPS+Offer+%281%29.pdf
> >  >
> > > If the PDF file is not readable..
> > >  $644 for the Sail + 30 shipping
> > > Add a Furling Kit
>  > > RWO Continuous line furler
> > > with control line  loop
> > > and sheets $225
> > >  Contact: Paul  Beaudin
> > > Doyle Sailmakers 225 Fordham Street City Island, NY  10464
> > > 800-237-4453 Email doylesails at verizon.net
> >  >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in  context:
>  >
>
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