[Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??

Tue Aug 10 21:32:48 EDT 2010

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Blue Heron wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> 
> Where did you find the 258?
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>>
>> The PHRF on our boats is 258 compared to the Catalina 22 with a rating of
>> 270.  Your Rhodes is a faster boat but in this race it looks like it had
>> a
>> much better captain too--congrats!
>>
>> "Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of knots of
>> speed."
>>
>> I agree but not because of the position of the sheets.  I believe you can
>> go faster because you can have more sail out and/or your point-of-sail is
>> more off the wind.  I think our boats point pretty well but they don't
>> have
>> enough weight underwater to provide a lot of opposing pressure to the
>> sails.
>>  Boats with deep, heavy keels and big sail plans seem to sail faster into
>> the wind.  Our light boats with little wetted surface do better on a
>> broad
>> reach or run.
>>
>> I'm just guessing so if I'm wrong hopefully someone will speak up.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>>
>> Lee/Jack:
>>
>> I typically keep my jib sheets outside the shrouds for maximum sail size
>> however I do move the sheets to the other two positions in an effort to
>> point higher.  Anything other than the outer position looses a couple of
>> knots of speed.  I find the easiest way to change the sheet position is
>> to
>> furl the jib in all the way, then reach over or thru the pop top and move
>> the sheet, then unfurl the jib.  I seem to get about 60 degrees off the
>> wind
>> with a full head sail, 120 total.  I can cheat a bit if its blowing hard
>> and
>> let the head sail luff, this also lessens the heal angle.  The best I
>> have
>> managed in the alternate sheet positions, at lower speed,  is 45 degrees
>> off
>> the wind, total 90 degrees.
>>
>> I came upon a Catalina 22, sailing the same direction sailing upwind
>> toward
>> Herrington Harbor South, as I came out of Herrington Harbor North this
>> past
>> Sunday afternoon.  I quickly got the outboard stowed and let out full
>> sail.
>>  Wind was a steady 9kts with gusts to 11kts.  While the Catalina could
>> point
>> about 10 degrees higher than me I outsailed her on several tacks as we
>> made
>> our way to the marker at the end of Long Bar, about a mile and a half up
>> wind.  It must have taken the Catalina another fifteen minutes to reach
>> the
>> same mark.  While I am frustrated with the Rhodes pointing ability I am
>> delighted at how she can get up and go in light and  moderate wind.
>>
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC  20007
>> 202.342.2711
>> 202.342.2691 fax
>> 202.270.1470 mobile
>>
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>> cowieassociates.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:28 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on re-routing genoa sheets ??
>>
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Glad you asked.
>>
>> "Is it worth it?"  Absolutely.  It's more important than lowering your
>> centerboard, which is also pretty important.  120 degree tacks with your
>> sheets run outside of the shrouds is pretty good so your sails and skills
>> must not be too baggy.
>>
>> "Is there a quick and easy method?"  I'm lazy and I rerun my sheets just
>> about every time I go out.  Even if I don't need to run the sheets
>> between
>> the shrouds for windward performance I'll often get better sail shape if
>> I
>> do.  Here's my technique and I hope others chime in with their methods:
>>
>> If you're singlehandling you'll need to lock the tiller so you can leave
>> the
>> helm.
>>
>> Untie the stopper knot at the end of your windward sheet (you can rerun
>> the
>> leeward sheet but it's not as easy) and pull the sheet loose from the
>> winch
>> and Genoa track block (pulley).
>>
>> >From the cabin grab the sheet forward of the outside shroud.  I'm six
>> foot
>> tall and can reach it without leaving the cabin or using a boat hook.
>>
>> Coil up the sheet and drop it on the sidedeck just forward of the Genoa
>> sheet eye attached to the side of the cabin (on my boat).
>>
>> Run the bitter end of the sheet through the eye and with your aft hand
>> pull
>> the sheet into the cockpit.  I run the sheet through my forward hand
>> forward
>> of the eye to prevent the coil from getting tangled at the eye.
>>
>> >From the cockpit run the bitter end back through block.  If you run it
>> directly to the winch the angle of the sheet may be too high and cause
>> the
>> sheet to get stuck around the winch during use.  If you have a bimini
>> make
>> sure you run the sheets to avoid touching the bimini supports.
>>
>> Retie your stopper knot but instead of using a figure-eight knot use a
>> simple over-hand knot.  I've read several articles lately that claim it
>> will
>> hold better with the soft Genoa sheets.
>>
>> Come about so you can enjoy the fruits of your labor.
>>
>> Running the sheets between the mast and the inner shrouds is the same
>> except
>> you use the eye on top of the cabin and use the cam cleat instead of the
>> block and winch.  It makes for a pretty small Genoa and I usually only
>> use
>> it if I'm beating it in higher winds.
>>
>> As a daysailor I frequently like to start out upwind and stay there to
>> prevent the need to motor upwind to get back to my marina.  The heavier
>> the
>> wind the more I try to stay upwind which can make for a fun run back
>> home.
>> In light wind I use whatever point-of-sail keeps me moving and use the
>> motor
>> to return if necessary.
>>
>> I've measured 45 degrees into the wind several times and suspect that our
>> boats would do close to 40 degrees with the right skipper and conditions.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
>> Kent Island, MD
>>
>>
>> Come-here Jack wrote:
>> >
>> > Murphy's law--in full effect here on Mobjack Bay--dictates that I spend
>> > more time than I'd like sailing to windward.  My less-than-stellar
>> sailing
>> > skills + some pretty old & baggy sails make it unusual to point any
>> higher
>> > than 60 degrees off the wind (120 degree tacks).  I suspect the R-22
>> will
>> > point higher than this, and I'd like to hear some opinions on moving
>> the
>> > genny sheets inside the shrouds.  Is it worth the effort?  Is there a
>> > 'quick & easy' method?   Should I just learn to treat my sailing more
>> like
>> > sled riding (downhill only) ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Chirch
>> > s/v Pax - Gloucester, VA
>> >
>>
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