[Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale

Mon Aug 23 15:30:03 EDT 2010

Hello folks,

There is one question that this broke potential Rhodes 22 owner has not seen
an answer to, and that is this, is there a way to but the certificate
post-sale.  The text of the certificate seems to be pretty specific, that
the certificate much come with the boat when it is purchased.

There are a couple of Rhodes 22 sales that happen outside the pervue of GB
each month, and in reality they represent one of my best bets for getting a
Rhodes 22 anytime in the next decade.  Sure Stan might have one for around 2
grand when I have 2 grand to spend, but the chances are pretty slim.

Every single person that I have spoken with about these boats has had one of
2 responses:
1) Stan who?
2) I have a cheap boat to sell, I have never talked to the Stan and I am not
going to start now.
Given this, the chances that I can get a CoS to come with the boat in these
circumstances are pretty slim.  Also given my circumstances, it is likely
that I would purchase one if I have the opportunity...$100 (5% of $2000) for
access to discounted parts and the manufacturer's ear when I need advice
sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Anyway, I will discover the answer to that when I call Stan to ask him where
to send the check if I ever buy a boat of Craigslist.  If he will not take
it at that point it is really no skin off my nose because the alternative is
buying a boat that is out of production and therefore has no manufacturer
support either.  If that ends up being my course I can only hope that there
is a boat owner's board as helpful as this one!

Take care!
Eric
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:17 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Matt,
> You said
> "there is a difference between explaining a business policy and chastizing
> a potential customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a question
> without knowing the complex history of the answer."
> Do you know that Stan & Rose are sole proprietors? Did you visit the
> website to get info before calling?? Just his taking the time to explain the
> above to you (and how many others in a week???)is a break in the workflow
> and costs $$$$.
> If if were my business I'd probably be irritated also w/people calling.
> Sure, it may have been your first call, but believe me, it was not his
> first.
>
> And you have a point....but what you and other newbies don't understand is
> that Stan and Rose ARE the business...I doubt that you or any others would
> be willing to pay what it would cost him to stop to answer your questions
> which may or may not engender other business. Your time...0$...his
> time...megabucks.....hence the 5% certificate program.
> You want him to 'pay' you (with his time)to answer your questions, but
> you're not willing to pay him for the answers.
>
> elle
>
>
> Beer is good....people are crazy
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22    Recycled '06"Watermusic"  {Lady in Red}
>
> --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:09 PM
>
> Hi All,
>
> In the effort to provide a newcomer's perspective, I'd like to point out
> that new owners may be unaware that such a debate has been taking place.
> As
> the (broke) new owner of an inherited boat, the cost of a Certificate is
> prohibitive, but I would be more than happy to pay for the time of an
> experienced and knowledgeable Rhodes builder (or even Rhodes captain) on an
> hourly basis.
>
> And to comment on Elle's response from the other thread, there is a
> difference between explaining a business policy and chastizing a potential
> customer (or any person for that matter) for asking a question without
> knowing the complex history of the answer.
>
> An hourly fee for sage advice would help in two areas.  First, the newcomer
> may not have any knowledge of how the company operates, or its plan of
> succession.  The Certificate may be valid for a lifetime of sailing, but as
> with any small business, the question of who will be there in the future to
> provide that advice is important.  Second, as with many pay-as-you-go
> scenarios, the customer often recognizes the true value of the expert's
> time, and may realize what a deal the Certificate represents.
>
> Oh, and to give a brief summary of my first few months with our boat: she's
> beautiful and functional; great for the Severn River; perfect for a new
> sailor/captain; and she sure can take a whack on the bow pulpit/anchor.
>
> Matt Porter
> '95/recycled '02
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Charles Nieman <
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks for the explaination ....
> > not planning on selling anytime soon ....
> > after all I have only had the boat 15 years ....
> > still breaking it in!
> >
> > > From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:16:28 -0400
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > it's a phasing-in consideration.
> > >
> > > 15 years and you become a pet
> > > But when and if you go to sell your boat privately, that is a new ball
> > game.
> > >
> > > Of course you can do as you like, and so can we. So if you elect to
> sell
> > your boat privately without going with the C of S program, and tell the
> > buyer to call us anytime at home or at the plant, if they have any
> > questions, from now on we are simply going to re-direct them back to you.
> > >
> > > We think the C of S it is a win, win solution to a growing problem and
> > recommend it to private sellers and private buyers. We know some still
> think
> > we are nuts to expect residuals since a boat is not a book or a song or a
> > copyrighted photograph, so we continue to be willing to debate this tired
> > issue with any takers.
> > >
> > > ss/gbi
> > >
> > > On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Charles Nieman wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Stan
> > > > Since I bought a recycled boat from you (albeit fifteen years ago)
> does
> > that mean I have "Certificate of Support" now?..... doe sthe response and
> > attention you have been giving me represent what can be expected with
> said
> > certificate?
> > > >
> > > >> From: stan at rhodes22.com
> > > >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:46 -0400
> > > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 82 Rhodes22 for sale
> > > >>
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> > > >> On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:15 PM, bobmellor wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am going to be selling a Rhodes22.. (I currently have two...
> > selling one,
> > > >>> keeping one)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1982 Rhodes22
> > > >>> standard mast (not IMF)
> > > >>> single axle triad trailer
> > > >>> ready to sail
> > > >>> located in eastern PA
> > > >>> if interested in purchasing, email rhm at bobmellor.com and I'll get
> > back to
> > > >>> you w/ more detail.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (I need to look thru archives to get latest on how to get Stan's
> new
> > "cert
> > > >>> of support" for buyer)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bob Mellor
> > > >>> --
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