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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
2. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
3. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
4. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Alex McKenna)
5. If I can't fix the Rhodes, another sailboat for now?
(Alex McKenna)
6. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Michael D. Weisner)
7. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (David Bradley)
8. Re: Knockdown (Caesar Paul)
9. Re: Knockdown (Caesar Paul)
10. Re: If I can't fix the Rhodes, another sailboat for now?
(Eric Larson)
11. Re: If I can't fix the Rhodes, another sailboat for now?
(Geankoplis)
12. Solar Anchor Light (Geankoplis)
13. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
14. Re: Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved? (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Ben and everyone,
This is about the feeling I am getting after talking to my insurer, an
attorney in the area, and hearing from another insurance guy. It's seems
likely I will have a hard time getting any money from his insurer. I now
have a copy of the police report, the driver, Jesus is from Peru, has no
license, or ID of any kind, and borrowed his roommate's car. His family had
to bring his Peruvian passport to bail him out. He was charged with driving
without a license, Leaving the scene, and most amusingly, failure to
maintain lane.
The police ran the plate, found the address, started driving that direction
and found Jesus walking on the side of the road. Picked him up, read his
Miranda rights, he admitted he was the driver, said he fell asleep while
driving home from work.
The roommate agreed he let Jesus, the driver, borrow the car. At least the
car was insured with State Farm. I am going to call them Tuesday, and see
what they say. My insurance will cover the boat up to $1,000.
At this point it seems likely his insurance will total the boat and take it,
I have no idea if I can buy it back.
If not I may just try and buy another sailboat for the near term, and keep
my eye out for another Rhodes. Any for sale?
I really appreciate all the replies, on and off the list.
I have been lurking on the list for over a year, and the generosity and
helpfulness of this group was one of the largest determiners in finding a
Rhodes.
>Alex is in for a battle too. The cops should have charged the guy with DUI.
There is no rule that he must >be "in the car" when they catch up with him.
That was baloney. His homeowners carrier will likely claim >the boat was not
"appurtenant" to the house, and the guy's auto carrier will want to pay at
most the >amount of money he could have sold the boat for on the day before
the wreck (next to nothing). Most >lawyers will not be interested in getting
involved because no one was hurt and the case has no real value. >Maybe some
lawyer will be willing to sue Alex because the fence was too close to the
road ;>)
This seems increasingly the most likely result :-)
I will make sure to build the replacement fence farther away, and I will
make sure to put a few steel posts in concrete behind it.
Hopefully,
Alex
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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I feel pretty confident I have the tools and skills to repair it, I have a 4
ton rolling U frame hoist that I bought to lift a 26' sailboat to replace
the keel, It should have no problem lifting the Rhodes. As I speak to more
people about the insurance, I feel increasingly I will get very little money
for the boat, it will be totaled, and I may not be able to buy it back as
salvage.
So, I have started considering my other options, I could sell the very nice
dual-axle aluminum trailer it is on, with all new springs, hangers, rotors,
brakes, etc. Take whatever pittance the insurer's give me, and buy some
other inexpensive sailboat for the next few years I can take my wife and two
young children sailing with this summer.
There is a 74 Oday 22 with a trailer in apparently good shape for $2100 on
craigslist. Any one have experience with the Oday 22?
Really I want my children to experience life on the water, away from TV,
video games, and the like. To do an occasional overnighter. The kids are
little, 3 and almost 6, so we don't currently need a large boat.
Any other ideas?
Thanks,
Alex
Greg PA wrote:
>
> I agree with John 100%. I was in the same position last year. If you take
> on too big a project, the boat will be on the hard all summer and you will
> start to lose enthusiasm. eBay is full of 1/2 done project boats that the
> owner lost interest. Get it fixed to the point you can sail safely, then
> re-evaluate what you want to do with her over the winter.
>
> "The only other option is to laminate on the outside then fair it as best
> you can. If you can live with a minor hull distortion it might be the
> cheap easy way to go sailing this summer. 4-5 layers of glass should do
> then seal and paint damaged area only and wait for a better rhodes to buy.
> Just thinking out loud
> John S"
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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I was a cabinetmaker during college, but that guy is much better with a nail
gun than I will ever be :-)
John Shulick wrote:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Perhaps you missed the part where I stressed this is NOT A JOB FOR THE
> NON HANDY perhaps this attachment will give you a better perspective on
> what I mean
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p28687329/SiDidieravaitunmarteau.wmv
> SiDidieravaitunmarteau.wmv
>
> Happy sailing
> John S
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>> Alex,
>> Bummer is the only word that comes to mind. I've read all the posts
>> offering advice and some on right on and others are totally off the wall.
>> A good
>> auto body shop that has experience with Corvettes might be a good way to
>> go
>> if you don't have a good marina near by that does that kind of work.
>> Fiberglass is light, strong and easily repaired and reinforced during the
>> repair. A little research on your part and you might attempt the repairs
>> yourself. DO NOT SEPERATE THE HULL HALVES. Totally not necessary. Also,
>> the
>> insurance company might be able to direct you to a good repair shop.
>> This is totally repairable and worth doing.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/25/2010 9:42:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> alex at brightrhino.com writes:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but Saturday
>> at 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the sound
>> of
>> an explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on our
>> lawn. A
>> man fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic through our
>> fence,
>> smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer. The boat was
>> still tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k pound straps. He
>> was
>> still going so fast after the collision, he demolished two more fences,
>> throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull has three or
>> fours
>> cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for repairs, but we
>> recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops in the area.
>>
>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be
>> able
>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
>> access
>> to the inner hull.
>>
>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>
>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
>> arrived.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Hank,
I will call Stan Tuesday and see what he thinks, and if he has some older
boats for sale.
I think getting money from the insurer will take a while, and it will be a
small amount.
Perhaps my family can go sailing this summer another way.
Thanks,
Alex
Hank-5 wrote:
>
> You should consider taking it down to Stan. You could combine the repair
> with other work and kill two birds with one stone and get high quality
> work
> that comes guaranteed.
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Alex Mckenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This week I was going to start work restoring my rhodes 22, but Saturday
>> at
>> 4:30 AM there arose a problem. My wife and I were awoken to the sound of
>> an
>> explosion, we looked out our window and saw a car driving on our lawn. A
>> man
>> fell asleep at the wheel, and drove his honda civic through our fence,
>> smashing into, then going under our boat on the trailer. The boat was
>> still
>> tightly strapped to the dual-axle trailer with 10k pound straps. He was
>> still going so fast after the collision, he demolished two more fences,
>> throwing the heavy, trex fencing 20 or 30 feet. The hull has three or
>> fours
>> cracks near the transom. I have to get an estimate for repairs, but we
>> recently moved to CT and I don't know any repair shops in the area.
>>
>> What do you think are the chances of getting this repaired? I may be able
>> to grind and epoxy myself, but I don't know if I will be able to get
>> access
>> to the inner hull.
>>
>> Here are some pics of the damage:
>>
>> Amazingly, the driver was unhurt, and left the car before the police
>> arrived.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] If I can't fix the Rhodes, another sailboat
for now?
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Hi,
I really am grateful for everyone's responses about my damages Rhodes, and I
hope I can keep it and repair it, but I am beginning to think that the
insurance company will not be very helpful, so we are considering our other
options.
I have been browsing craigslist yesterday, and found a 74 Oday 22 in
apparently good condition with a trailer for about $2100 an hour away in CT.
Does anyone have any experience with that sailboat, or any other ideas for
good, inexpensive trailerable boats like the Rhodes?
I also saw a Rhodes 22 in detroit for $2750, no pictures, and a much longer
trip to pick it up.
Any thoughts would be great,
Thanks,
Alex
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:23:16 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Alex,
Since you purchased the boat and trailer separately, you should to explain
to the insurer that they will need to remove the boat sans trailer. They
will probably just total it and let you keep it. It will cost them quite a
bit to have it transported without a trailer to the disposal site.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: "Alex McKenna" Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:31 PM
>
> I feel pretty confident I have the tools and skills to repair it, I have a
> 4
> ton rolling U frame hoist that I bought to lift a 26' sailboat to replace
> the keel, It should have no problem lifting the Rhodes. As I speak to more
> people about the insurance, I feel increasingly I will get very little
> money
> for the boat, it will be totaled, and I may not be able to buy it back as
> salvage.
>
> So, I have started considering my other options, I could sell the very
> nice
> dual-axle aluminum trailer it is on, with all new springs, hangers,
> rotors,
> brakes, etc. Take whatever pittance the insurer's give me, and buy some
> other inexpensive sailboat for the next few years I can take my wife and
> two
> young children sailing with this summer.
>
> There is a 74 Oday 22 with a trailer in apparently good shape for $2100 on
> craigslist. Any one have experience with the Oday 22?
>
> Really I want my children to experience life on the water, away from TV,
> video games, and the like. To do an occasional overnighter. The kids are
> little, 3 and almost 6, so we don't currently need a large boat.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> Greg PA wrote:
>>
>> I agree with John 100%. I was in the same position last year. If you take
>> on too big a project, the boat will be on the hard all summer and you
>> will
>> start to lose enthusiasm. eBay is full of 1/2 done project boats that the
>> owner lost interest. Get it fixed to the point you can sail safely, then
>> re-evaluate what you want to do with her over the winter.
>>
>> "The only other option is to laminate on the outside then fair it as
>> best
>> you can. If you can live with a minor hull distortion it might be the
>> cheap easy way to go sailing this summer. 4-5 layers of glass should do
>> then seal and paint damaged area only and wait for a better rhodes to
>> buy.
>> Just thinking out loud
>> John S"
>>
>>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:55:29 -0700
From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Alex, I had an O'Day 17 before the R22 and thought it was a great boat
to learn on. It was a solid old boat that had been patched and glued
any number of times and kept on saililng. The O'Day 22s in our harbor
back then (Old Greenwich, CT) also just seemed to keep going year
after year. There are quite a few people across New England that know
the boats- I think they were made on the Cape.
Good luck to you.
Dave
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com> wrote:
>
> I feel pretty confident I have the tools and skills to repair it, I have a
4
> ton rolling U frame hoist that I bought to lift a 26' sailboat to replace
> the keel, It should have no problem lifting the Rhodes. As I speak to more
> people about the insurance, I feel increasingly I will get very little
money
> for the boat, it will be totaled, and I may not be able to buy it back as
> salvage.
>
> So, I have started considering my other options, I could sell the very
nice
> dual-axle aluminum trailer it is on, with all new springs, hangers,
rotors,
> brakes, etc. ?Take whatever pittance the insurer's give me, and buy some
> other inexpensive sailboat for the next few years I can take my wife and
two
> young children sailing with this summer.
>
> There is a 74 Oday 22 with a trailer in apparently good shape for $2100 on
> craigslist. Any one have experience with the Oday 22?
>
> Really I want my children to experience life on the water, away from TV,
> video games, and the like. To do an occasional overnighter. The kids are
> little, 3 and almost 6, so we don't currently need a large boat.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> Greg PA wrote:
>>
>> I agree with John 100%. I was in the same position last year. If you take
>> on too big a project, the boat will be on the hard all summer and you
will
>> start to lose enthusiasm. eBay is full of 1/2 done project boats that the
>> owner lost interest. Get it fixed to the point you can sail safely, then
>> re-evaluate what you want to do with her over the winter.
>>
>> ?"The only other option is to laminate on the outside then fair it as
best
>> you can. If you can live with a minor hull distortion it might be the
>> cheap easy way to go sailing this summer. 4-5 layers of glass should do
>> then seal and paint damaged area only and wait for a better rhodes to
buy.
>> Just thinking out loud
>> John S"
>>
>>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Knockdown
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Leland,
Thanks for taking the time to write and share your story.
Caesar
Gentle Breeze
________________________________
From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:45:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Knockdown
Ben,
Here you go:
http://old.nabble.com/file/p28684054/Knockdown.doc Knockdown.doc
Not my proudest moment.
Lee
1986 Rhodes22? AT EASE
Kent Island, MD
Has anyone ever been in a Rhodes 22 that experienced a knockdown? How close
has anybody ever come? I'm in the mood for a "sea story". Anybody want to
tell one??
Ben C
S/V Susan Kay (93 recy 08)
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Knockdown
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Kathy,
It looks like sailing have been pretty tame so far, and that I have a lot to
look forward to.
Caesar
________________________________
From: Kathy Barron <jbarron1 at cinci.rr.com>
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Cc: BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 7:07:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Knockdown
Ben,
Assuming you mean being close to a capsize in an unexpected
manner....there's a reason that my boat is named "Puffin".
The first year Jim and I had the boat we were sailing it on the small inland
lake we knew well from years of racing our snipe. Our grown son, Chris, an
excellent sailor himself, was with us. We had pretty much been on a run the
length of the lake, headed for a beautiful patch of blooming water lilies.?
A lovely afternoon, pleasant breezes, no heavy wind. We had both sails out
full. At the far end of the lake we headed back to the dock, tacking,
enjoying how responsive our beautiful new boat was. It seemed so perfect
that I left the genoa cleated and started checking out the captains chairs.
Chris, with his ever present camera, was in the cabin. Jim, the only
responsible one in the group, was at the helm. Suddenly I hear him say "puff
coming!" and looked up to see a patch of big wind on the lake. I don't know
where these puffs come from, but the lake is known for "flukey" air. Before
I could get to the jib sheet, or Chris out of the cabin, the boat went
from vertical to hori!
zontal. In a second, all three of us were on the rail, looking straight down
at water gushing into the cockpit. I was sure we were going over! I remember
thinking that I hoped Stan was right about the Rhodes not being capsizable
under sail. Sure enough, the boat turned into the wind and bobbed right up
like a cork. In a minute, the cockpit was dry. Amazing!! Needless to say, we
pulled in some of the genoa and proceeded with caution to the dock. Chris
still tells people we were trying to kill him :)? The next year, we went to
a bigger lake with steadier air. It wasn't half as much fun!
This year, I have a dock back at Cowan, the smaller lake, since I'll be
sailing by myself (or with Chris) and know the lake better. I hope that was
a wise decision! Lots closer to the house though. My dock is right next to
those water lilies...now maybe I should consider a hammock for the boat.
Kathy
---- BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever been in a Rhodes 22 that experienced a knockdown? How
close
> has anybody ever come? I'm in the mood for a "sea story". Anybody want to
> tell one??
>
> Ben C
> S/V Susan Kay (93 recy 08)
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:52:04 -0400
From: Eric Larson <ericrobertlarson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] If I can't fix the Rhodes, another
sailboat for now?
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Hey Alex,
I actually called on the Rhodes new Detroit. It is apparently well
outfitted and in decent shape with the one exception that she leaks. If you
keep her in the water you will need to get out about once per week to bail
her out. The story as it was told to me is that the previous owner obtained
the boat in a device settlement, and did not cover the boat properly, so
some water got into the the keel trunk or something like that and froze.
Now there is a crack somewhere. If the prospect of locating and fixing a
cracked keel trunk is not intimidating to you, it sounds like a fairly nice
boat. It was the finding part that put me off from it the most...that and
needing to spend my boat money on some medical bills ;).
Eric
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I really am grateful for everyone's responses about my damages Rhodes, and
> I
> hope I can keep it and repair it, but I am beginning to think that the
> insurance company will not be very helpful, so we are considering our
other
> options.
>
> I have been browsing craigslist yesterday, and found a 74 Oday 22 in
> apparently good condition with a trailer for about $2100 an hour away in
> CT.
> Does anyone have any experience with that sailboat, or any other ideas for
> good, inexpensive trailerable boats like the Rhodes?
>
> I also saw a Rhodes 22 in detroit for $2750, no pictures, and a much
longer
> trip to pick it up.
>
> Any thoughts would be great,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 21:26:38 -0700
From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] If I can't fix the Rhodes, another
sailboat for now?
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Alex,
I thought enough of the Rhodes I currently have that I drove from
Oregon to Baltimore for a boat about the same price as the one in Detroit.
My advice is to go for the Rhodes and not the O'Day. My son learned to sail
on a Rhodes as a toddler and now sails all over the world. I really think a
lot of that ability and love for sailing came from the kind of boat the
Rhodes is. Oh, and get Stan's certificate it is worth it.
Chris G
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alex McKenna
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:36
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] If I can't fix the Rhodes, another sailboat for
now?
Hi,
I really am grateful for everyone's responses about my damages Rhodes, and I
hope I can keep it and repair it, but I am beginning to think that the
insurance company will not be very helpful, so we are considering our other
options.
I have been browsing craigslist yesterday, and found a 74 Oday 22 in
apparently good condition with a trailer for about $2100 an hour away in CT.
Does anyone have any experience with that sailboat, or any other ideas for
good, inexpensive trailerable boats like the Rhodes?
I also saw a Rhodes 22 in detroit for $2750, no pictures, and a much longer
trip to pick it up.
Any thoughts would be great,
Thanks,
Alex
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:19:18 -0700
From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Anchor Light
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Attached is some info on a very inexpensive way to provide an anchor light
for your Rhodes that does not cause any battery drain. Easy to make and the
materials are very inexpensive.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
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Alex,
While there is magic in our Rhodes 22, your damaged one included, I must say
that the O'Day sailboats, which I have sailed many models of, is a very well
built boat that can be an excellent investment in sailing time and pleasure.
I had a 19' O'Day Mariner many years ago, and an O'Day 222 just before I
became a Rhoadie. For a potential owner, either the O'Day or the R22
valuation is entirely dependent on the condition of hull, deck (important as
it can have core problems), sails, onboard equipment, on and on. I think it
would good to develop a checklist to use when you evaluate any of those you
want to scope out.
I would deal with your Rhodes as the first priority, take it step by step
with a repair estimate. A good repair facility can evaluate the extent of
cost and time factors and you can decide if you even need to look for
another boat.
I would suggest knowing a local and experienced sailor who can help as an
advisor. You can see that our Rhoadie fleet can be very helpful from a
distance, but a local skipper/owner can see and evaluate subtle questions of
quality so much better than we ever could. The urge to make hasty decisions
can be expensive and disappointing, so don't jump too fast! You might
consider talking to one us on the phone as you have questions - sometimes
much more effective than the emails. I can be reached at 404 295-7777, so
leave a voicemail if I cannot answer your call.
Art
s/v Mary Jane
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 30, 2010 5:55 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
>
>Alex, I had an O'Day 17 before the R22 and thought it was a great boat
>to learn on. It was a solid old boat that had been patched and glued
>any number of times and kept on saililng. The O'Day 22s in our harbor
>back then (Old Greenwich, CT) also just seemed to keep going year
>after year. There are quite a few people across New England that know
>the boats- I think they were made on the Cape.
>
>Good luck to you.
>
>Dave
>
>
>On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Alex McKenna <alex at brightrhino.com>
wrote:
>>
>> I feel pretty confident I have the tools and skills to repair it, I have
a 4
>> ton rolling U frame hoist that I bought to lift a 26' sailboat to replace
>> the keel, It should have no problem lifting the Rhodes. As I speak to
more
>> people about the insurance, I feel increasingly I will get very little
money
>> for the boat, it will be totaled, and I may not be able to buy it back as
>> salvage.
>>
>> So, I have started considering my other options, I could sell the very
nice
>> dual-axle aluminum trailer it is on, with all new springs, hangers,
rotors,
>> brakes, etc. ?Take whatever pittance the insurer's give me, and buy some
>> other inexpensive sailboat for the next few years I can take my wife and
two
>> young children sailing with this summer.
>>
>> There is a 74 Oday 22 with a trailer in apparently good shape for $2100
on
>> craigslist. Any one have experience with the Oday 22?
>>
>> Really I want my children to experience life on the water, away from TV,
>> video games, and the like. To do an occasional overnighter. The kids are
>> little, 3 and almost 6, so we don't currently need a large boat.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg PA wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with John 100%. I was in the same position last year. If you
take
>>> on too big a project, the boat will be on the hard all summer and you
will
>>> start to lose enthusiasm. eBay is full of 1/2 done project boats that
the
>>> owner lost interest. Get it fixed to the point you can sail safely, then
>>> re-evaluate what you want to do with her over the winter.
>>>
>>> ?"The only other option is to laminate on the outside then fair it as
best
>>> you can. If you can live with a minor hull distortion it might be the
>>> cheap easy way to go sailing this summer. 4-5 layers of glass should do
>>> then seal and paint damaged area only and wait for a better rhodes to
buy.
>>> Just thinking out loud
>>> John S"
>>>
>>>
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:14:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Primo Idea, Mike!
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>Sent: May 30, 2010 3:23 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hit by a car, can my rhodes be saved?
>
>Alex,
>
>Since you purchased the boat and trailer separately, you should to explain
>to the insurer that they will need to remove the boat sans trailer. They
>will probably just total it and let you keep it. It will cost them quite a
>bit to have it transported without a trailer to the disposal site.
>
>Mike
>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>From: "Alex McKenna" Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:31 PM
>>
>> I feel pretty confident I have the tools and skills to repair it, I have
a
>> 4
>> ton rolling U frame hoist that I bought to lift a 26' sailboat to replace
>> the keel, It should have no problem lifting the Rhodes. As I speak to
more
>> people about the insurance, I feel increasingly I will get very little
>> money
>> for the boat, it will be totaled, and I may not be able to buy it back as
>> salvage.
>>
>> So, I have started considering my other options, I could sell the very
>> nice
>> dual-axle aluminum trailer it is on, with all new springs, hangers,
>> rotors,
>> brakes, etc. Take whatever pittance the insurer's give me, and buy some
>> other inexpensive sailboat for the next few years I can take my wife and
>> two
>> young children sailing with this summer.
>>
>> There is a 74 Oday 22 with a trailer in apparently good shape for $2100
on
>> craigslist. Any one have experience with the Oday 22?
>>
>> Really I want my children to experience life on the water, away from TV,
>> video games, and the like. To do an occasional overnighter. The kids are
>> little, 3 and almost 6, so we don't currently need a large boat.
>>
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg PA wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with John 100%. I was in the same position last year. If you
take
>>> on too big a project, the boat will be on the hard all summer and you
>>> will
>>> start to lose enthusiasm. eBay is full of 1/2 done project boats that
the
>>> owner lost interest. Get it fixed to the point you can sail safely, then
>>> re-evaluate what you want to do with her over the winter.
>>>
>>> "The only other option is to laminate on the outside then fair it as
>>> best
>>> you can. If you can live with a minor hull distortion it might be the
>>> cheap easy way to go sailing this summer. 4-5 layers of glass should do
>>> then seal and paint damaged area only and wait for a better rhodes to
>>> buy.
>>> Just thinking out loud
>>> John S"
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>>
http://old.nabble.com/Hit-by-a-car%2C-can-my-rhodes-be-saved--tp28668554p287
23496.html
>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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