[Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina

Arthur H. Czerwonky czerwonky at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 9 16:59:20 EST 2010 

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Art


-----Original Message-----
>From: mputnam1 at aol.com
>Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>Stan,
>
>
>The number Mary Lou gave you is correct: 703-548-9027.  The manager's name is Brian Pavlik and he should be in the office today.  He's a good guy and I'm sure he'll answer your questions.
>
>
>Mark P.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:06 am
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>
>
>Stan,
>
>Maybe nobody knows for sure.  Give the Marina a call and ask them.
>
>Hank
>
>On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
>> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether the
>> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
>> water.  ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
>> theory).
>> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went down
>> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no further
>> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>>
>>
>> > Stan,
>> >
>> > I think Mark did answer your question.
>> >
>> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.  I
>> > asked
>> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
>> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
>> > sank
>> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on water
>> > and
>> > went down.
>> >
>> > Mark P.
>> >
>> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.  Did
>> you
>> > do it with the mast installed?  Was it an IMF with Sail?  From the photo
>> > of
>> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
>> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll.  I suspect that
>> > they
>> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
>> >
>> > Hank
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell if
>> >> the
>> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
>> >> keeping
>> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
>> >>
>> >> ss
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Stan:
>> >> >
>> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the Rhodes
>> >> > 22
>> >> > at
>> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather flooded
>> >> > with
>> >> > water.   I will try to post the pdf file again.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Cowie
>> >> > R22 2009 Opus
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > stanleyl wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
>> >> completely
>> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water.  I had asked that
>> >> >> question
>> >> >> to get an idea of water depth.  From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
>> was
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> completely submerged.   Were any others?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job.  If all boats had
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
>> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
>> >> sitting
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
>> >> level.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
>> expensive
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
>> >> >> showed
>> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
>> the
>> >> >> cockpit seat level.   We would be satisfied if the water level
>> reaches
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective.  In the only report I
>> >> >> recall
>> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
>> >> >> lifted
>> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
>> >> they
>> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> stan/gbi
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
>> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
>> >> >>> I
>> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
>> >> >>> boats
>> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
>> >> took
>> >> >>> on water and went down.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Mark P.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Stan,
>> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
>> boats
>> >> >>> went
>> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
>> shallow
>> >> >>> arina and  the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
>> >> >>> reach
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> ottom. Boats  without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
>> >> >>> probably
>> >> >>> illed with water  as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
>> >> >>> chance of
>> >> >>> urvivability  because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
>> >> >>> water
>> >> >>> nd mud, but still  floating as the water returned.
>> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
>> >> >>> down
>> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
>> back
>> >> >>> up,
>> >> >>> any  of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
>> >> >>> waiting
>> >> >>> or  someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
>> >> was
>> >> >>> aised  recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> owner
>> >> >>> ad her  raised.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ummy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
>> >> >>> Dave,
>> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what  happened.   Were all boats
>> >> >>> ompletely
>> >> >>> nder water or were parts  of the decks (other than the masts) still
>> >> >>> above
>> >> >>> ater  level?
>> >> >>> stan/gbi
>> >> >>>
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