[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2147, Issue 1
Matthew Porter
matthewporter27 at gmail.com
Wed Mar 10 11:48:42 EST 2010
Lee,
Yeah, we're really looking forward to this season. The folks at Smith's
Marina seem really nice and the location is perfect for us.
Porter
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>
> Porter,
>
> Nice:
> http://marinas.com/view/marina/133_Smith%27s_Marina_Crownsville_MD
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Porter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:36 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2147, Issue 1
>
> Hi All,
>
> [Currently in digest mode]
>
> Chris: We plan to put her in a slip and trailer her when the mood
> strikes
> us. My wife went to St. Mary's College and still has friends living in
> southern Maryland; we imagine that for long weekend trips to there and
> other
> areas, it'll be best to trailer down.
>
> Rummy: I don't think so, he is still "getting the hang of" email and the
> internet. In any case, his name is William (Bill) Porter,
> affectionately
> known as "Wink." He travels a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if anyone
> has
> met him. If your name was Bourbony, I'd say it was a lock.
>
> Lee: We have found a marina: Smith's Marina in Little Round Bay on the
> Severn. We're landlocked in Columbia, MD, but the marina is just 20
> miles
> from the house.
>
> Nice to meet you all,
>
> Porter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
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> >
> > 1. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (mputnam1 at aol.com)
> > 2. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Chris Cowie)
> > 3. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (mputnam1 at aol.com)
> > 4. Re: Rhodes 22 computer model (E.Andler)
> > 5. Hello! (Matthew Porter)
> > 6. Re: Hello! (Chris Cowie)
> > 7. Re: Hello! (R22RumRunner at aol.com)
> > 8. Re: Rhodes 22 computer model (KUHN, LELAND)
> > 9. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
> > 10. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
> > 11. Re: Hello! (KUHN, LELAND)
> > 12. Re: Positively positive flotation (Geankoplis)
> > 13. Re: Tampa Bay (Captainpy)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:10:24 -0500
> > From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <8CC8DC28AACA828-778-4B at webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> >
> > The number Mary Lou gave you is correct: 703-548-9027. The manager's
> name
> > is Brian Pavlik and he should be in the office today. He's a good guy
> and
> > I'm sure he'll answer your questions.
> >
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:06 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> > Maybe nobody knows for sure. Give the Marina a call and ask them.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether
> the
> > > water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be
> under
> > > water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > > theory).
> > > I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat
> went
> > down
> > > no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> > further
> > > because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> > >
> > > ss
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > > >
> > > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > > > asked
> > > > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they
> > > > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that
> > > > sank
> > > > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> water
> > > > and
> > > > went down.
> > > >
> > > > Mark P.
> > > >
> > > > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.
> Did
> > > you
> > > > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the
> > photo
> > > > of
> > > > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded
> the
> > > > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect
> that
> > > > they
> > > > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > > >
> > > > Hank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't
> tell
> > if
> > > >> the
> > > >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded
> in
> > > >> keeping
> > > >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > > >>
> > > >> ss
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Stan:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> > Rhodes
> > > >> > 22
> > > >> > at
> > > >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> > flooded
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cowie
> > > >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> > because
> > > I
> > > >> am
> > > >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > > >> completely
> > > >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked
> that
> > > >> >> question
> > > >> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes
> > > was
> > > >> >> never
> > > >> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the
> Rhodes
> > deck
> > > >> >> was
> > > >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all
> boats
> > had
> > > >> >> their
> > > >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and
> therefore
> > no
> > > >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats
> were
> > > >> sitting
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > > >> level.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > > expensive
> > > >> >> for
> > > >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> > photos
> > > >> >> showed
> > > >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above
> > > the
> > > >> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> > > reaches
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report
> I
> > > >> >> recall
> > > >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a
> rouge
> > wave
> > > >> >> lifted
> > > >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it
> floated
> > and
> > > >> they
> > > >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> stan/gbi
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> > down.
> > > >> >>> I
> > > >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> > > >> >>> and
> > > >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of
> the
> > > >> >>> boats
> > > >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> > side,
> > > >> took
> > > >> >>> on water and went down.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Mark P.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Stan,
> > > >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that
> the
> > > boats
> > > >> >>> went
> > > >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> > > shallow
> > > >> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats
> to
> > > >> >>> reach
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance
> and
> > > >> >>> probably
> > > >> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had
> the
> > best
> > > >> >>> chance of
> > > >> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably
> filled
> > with
> > > >> >>> water
> > > >> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the
> water
> > went
> > > >> >>> down
> > > >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level
> came
> > > back
> > > >> >>> up,
> > > >> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> > bottom
> > > >> >>> waiting
> > > >> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan
> 25
> > that
> > > >> was
> > > >> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> owner
> > > >> >>> ad her raised.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> ummy
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
> > > >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > >> >>> Dave,
> > > >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > > >> >>> ompletely
> > > >> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> > still
> > > >> >>> above
> > > >> >>> ater level?
> > > >> >>> stan/gbi
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > > >> >>> esc: not available
> > > >> >>> rl :
> > > >> >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:25:42 -0500
> > From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <FB33F8F99740DB4688040C1ED75BB89F24AFCC at sbs2003.CowieSBS.local>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> > floating.
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie? ??
> >
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC? 20007
> > 202.342.2711
> > 202.342.2691 fax
> > 202.270.1470 mobile
> >
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > cowieassociates.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> > thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if the
> > boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> > the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes 22
> > > at
> > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > > with
> > > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > R22 2009 Opus
> > >
> > >
> > > stanleyl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > am
> > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > >> question
> > >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> > >> never
> > >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck was
> > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > >> their
> > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > >> on
> > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > >> for
> > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> showed
> > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> > >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > >> the
> > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> lifted
> > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > they
> > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>
> > >> stan/gbi
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > took
> > >>> on water and went down.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark P.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > >>> went
> > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>> the
> > >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>> probably
> > >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >>> chance of
> > >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >>> water
> > >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >>> down
> > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > >>> up,
> > >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >>> waiting
> > >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > was
> > >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > >>> owner
> > >>> ad her raised.
> > >>>
> > >>> ummy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > >>> ompletely
> > >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >>> above
> > >>> ater level?
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >>> ame: not available
> > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >>> esc: not available
> > >>> rl :
> > >>>
> >
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> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:24:57 -0500
> > From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <8CC8DC4932C65DA-778-532 at webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in the
> > picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who
> knows if
> > it's low or high tide. I can't find the photos to take a look at the
> docks
> > relative to the land.
> >
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> > floating.
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711
> > 202.342.2691 fax
> > 202.270.1470 mobile
> >
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > cowieassociates.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> > On Behalf Of stan
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> > thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if the
> > boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> > the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes 22
> > > at
> > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > > with
> > > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > R22 2009 Opus
> > >
> > >
> > > stanleyl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > am
> > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > >> question
> > >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> > >> never
> > >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck was
> > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > >> their
> > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > >> on
> > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > >> for
> > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> showed
> > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> > >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > >> the
> > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> lifted
> > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > they
> > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>
> > >> stan/gbi
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > took
> > >>> on water and went down.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark P.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > >>> went
> > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>> the
> > >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>> probably
> > >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >>> chance of
> > >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >>> water
> > >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >>> down
> > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > >>> up,
> > >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >>> waiting
> > >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > was
> > >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > >>> owner
> > >>> ad her raised.
> > >>>
> > >>> ummy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > >>> ompletely
> > >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >>> above
> > >>> ater level?
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >>> ame: not available
> > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >>> esc: not available
> > >>> rl :
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70
> 522bf/attachment.jpeg<http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20100308/d70%0A522bf/attachment.jpeg>
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> > > --
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> > >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:12:43 -0500
> > From: "E.Andler" <edward.andler at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <D93AFEF05D204904A89A616016A64494 at owner9d0456dc8>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > Not bad for only being a second semester freshman
> > The kid's got talent.............
> > (Sorry for the parental bragging)
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:52 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> >
> >
> > Your son's (in) tuition is right on. I spent about 1/2 hour drafting
> > three
> > schematic hull sections and then used the "loft" command, imported the
> > hull
> > resultant hull shape into google earth, added a mast and boom and wala
> I
> > have a goofy looking Rhodes 22 shape. Now tell your son you have a
> > summer
> > project for him to measure your boat and create a more accurate
> computer
> > model.
> >
> > Enclosed is a pdf file with three images.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Edward-58 wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris & Mike:
> > > I forwarded your emails about the free Cad program to my son who is
> a
> > > Mechanical Engineering student (He has used the Google program
> > before.)
> > > He also responded on how to mold a 3D hull on a Cad program
> > > I'm going to cut & paste what he said because I have no idea what he
> > is
> > > talking about (I sell empty bottles for a living) If his suggestion
> > > works its nice to know he is actually learning something at school
> > > I would love to see if someone can do it using this method
> > > Keep me informed
> > > Good Luck
> > > Ed A
> > > Here is his response:
> > > "You can tell them the easiest way to get the boat curves
> > > accurately is to make a few section cuts in 2D (using polylines),
> > align
> > > them in 3D space, and then use the LOFT command in autoCAD so that
> you
> > > can accurately reflect the fact that both the XY and XZ planes of
> the
> > > boat are curving simultaneously at different angles (ie the hull
> > curves
> > > both downwards towards the water and backwards from the bow to the
> > > stern)"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:20 PM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The best little drafting program and
> it's
> > > free!
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike:
> > >
> > > I have been using AutoCad, AutoCad Architect and more recently
> > Autodesk
> > > Revit for architectural design and drafting in addition to Sketch up
> > for
> > > design illustrations. AutoCad Architect tried to be a 3D design and
> > > drafting tool but Revit has taken this idea much further. Revit
> > allows
> > > us
> > > to build a virtual model in 3d and test relationships of various
> > design
> > > elements and create a set of construction documents and renderings
> > from
> > > the
> > > single model file. The various components within the model such as
> > > doors,
> > > windows, walls etc... have smart dynamic attributes that can be
> linked
> > > to
> > > various tables, charts, product web sites, quantity tables,
> contractor
> > > cost
> > > estimates etc...
> > >
> > > We used to use 3d studio max to create 3d renderings but this was
> much
> > > too
> > > complicated a program. Sketchup is a great product. I think Google
> > has
> > > the
> > > right idea in providing this univeral, easy to use product to a mass
> > > market
> > > for free. Autodesk robs us every year with a mandatory subscription
> > > that
> > > cost me over $700 per each of my five liscenses. Sketchup does not
> > > produce
> > > the same level of documentation as Revit however so I am stuck
> > > supporting
> > > Revit.
> > >
> > > I would love to see if anyone has success in creating a 3d model of
> > the
> > > Rhodes 22 in sketchup or any other program. I explored this a bit
> but
> > > the
> > > complex hull curvature makes it a real challange. My goal is to map
> > out
> > > electronic and other components in a 3d model of our boats. Let me
> > know
> > > if
> > > anyone has success in this. It would be pretty easy to share
> sketchup
> > > models and collaborate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Google warehouse is a good place to look for existing models.
> > Enclosed
> > > is
> > > an imgage from a sailboat model found in the google warehouse.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27737330/sailboat50.jpg sailboat50.jpg
> > >
> > > Chris Cowie
> > > Opus R22 2009
> > >
> > >
> > > R22MikeW wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi fellow Rhodies,
> > >>
> > >> I got tired of trying to do diagrams in Windows Paint program and
> > > didn't
> > >> feel like purchasing a license / copy of AutoCAD ($$$$) for simple
> > >> documentation drawings for the boat and home. I turned to Google
> > > search
> > >> and found a product that I still cannot believe is FREE! It is
> > called
> > >> Google SketchUp (http://sketchup.google.com/). I doubt any of us
> > need
> > >> SketchUp Pro ($495.) I downloaded a copy of SketchUp 7 and watched
> > > the
> > >> video tutorials. The product is outrageous! 3D perspective
> drawings
> > > are
> > >> a breeze. Auto-dimensioning, textures, everything that I could ask
> > > for!
> > >> Very intuitive and forgiving (love the infinite undo levels!) Try
> it
> > >> before they raise the price!
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> __________________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > >
> >
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> > > 1-tp27731255p27737330.html
> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
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> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:15:28 -0500
> > From: Matthew Porter <matthewporter27 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <212aa3ea1003091215v357808b7hb9734263b0be2ebd at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. I'm the
> soon-to-be
> > owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22. My uncle has decided that he'll get
> more
> > enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> > appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access
> to
> > the
> > Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
> >
> > I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an
> insider's
> > perspective on the Rhodes 22. My wife and I are still a bit in shock
> over
> > the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that
> he's
> > the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Porter
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:47:27 -0500
> > From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <FB33F8F99740DB4688040C1ED75BB89F24AFE2 at sbs2003.CowieSBS.local>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Matt:
> >
> > Welcome to the list and congratulations on your inheritance. This will
> be
> > my second season sailing my Rhodes 2009. The Chesapeake Bay is a
> great
> > place to sail. Do you plan to trailer your boat or put her in a slip?
> I am
> > in a slip at Herrington Harbor North.
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie? ??
> >
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC? 20007
> > 202.342.2711
> > 202.342.2691 fax
> > 202.270.1470 mobile
> >
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > cowieassociates.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Porter
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:15 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. I'm the
> soon-to-be
> > owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22. My uncle has decided that he'll get
> more
> > enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> > appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access
> to
> > the
> > Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
> >
> > I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an
> insider's
> > perspective on the Rhodes 22. My wife and I are still a bit in shock
> over
> > the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that
> he's
> > the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Porter
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:02:40 EST
> > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <2bb2b.7ba33e30.38c81170 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Matt, Welcome to the list. Any chance we would know your uncle????
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2010 3:15:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > matthewporter27 at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. I'm the
> soon-to-be
> > owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22. My uncle has decided that he'll get
> more
> > enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky
> and
> > appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access
> to
> > the
> > Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
> >
> > I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an
> insider's
> > perspective on the Rhodes 22. My wife and I are still a bit in shock
> over
> > the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that
> he's
> > the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Porter
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:24:36 -0500
> > From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C36002348827 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
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> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > I'm also impressed with your son, but what do I know. I thought a Cad
> > was the opposite of a Gentleman.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of E.Andler
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:13 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> >
> > Not bad for only being a second semester freshman
> > The kid's got talent.............
> > (Sorry for the parental bragging)
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:52 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 computer model
> >
> >
> > Your son's (in) tuition is right on. I spent about 1/2 hour drafting
> > three
> > schematic hull sections and then used the "loft" command, imported the
> > hull
> > resultant hull shape into google earth, added a mast and boom and wala
> I
> > have a goofy looking Rhodes 22 shape. Now tell your son you have a
> > summer
> > project for him to measure your boat and create a more accurate
> computer
> > model.
> >
> > Enclosed is a pdf file with three images.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27786391/r22.pdf r22.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Edward-58 wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris & Mike:
> > > I forwarded your emails about the free Cad program to my son who is
> a
> > > Mechanical Engineering student (He has used the Google program
> > before.)
> > > He also responded on how to mold a 3D hull on a Cad program
> > > I'm going to cut & paste what he said because I have no idea what he
> > is
> > > talking about (I sell empty bottles for a living) If his suggestion
> > > works its nice to know he is actually learning something at school
> > > I would love to see if someone can do it using this method
> > > Keep me informed
> > > Good Luck
> > > Ed A
> > > Here is his response:
> > > "You can tell them the easiest way to get the boat curves
> > > accurately is to make a few section cuts in 2D (using polylines),
> > align
> > > them in 3D space, and then use the LOFT command in autoCAD so that
> you
> > > can accurately reflect the fact that both the XY and XZ planes of
> the
> > > boat are curving simultaneously at different angles (ie the hull
> > curves
> > > both downwards towards the water and backwards from the bow to the
> > > stern)"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cowie
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:20 PM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The best little drafting program and
> it's
> > > free!
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike:
> > >
> > > I have been using AutoCad, AutoCad Architect and more recently
> > Autodesk
> > > Revit for architectural design and drafting in addition to Sketch up
> > for
> > > design illustrations. AutoCad Architect tried to be a 3D design and
> > > drafting tool but Revit has taken this idea much further. Revit
> > allows
> > > us
> > > to build a virtual model in 3d and test relationships of various
> > design
> > > elements and create a set of construction documents and renderings
> > from
> > > the
> > > single model file. The various components within the model such as
> > > doors,
> > > windows, walls etc... have smart dynamic attributes that can be
> linked
> > > to
> > > various tables, charts, product web sites, quantity tables,
> contractor
> > > cost
> > > estimates etc...
> > >
> > > We used to use 3d studio max to create 3d renderings but this was
> much
> > > too
> > > complicated a program. Sketchup is a great product. I think Google
> > has
> > > the
> > > right idea in providing this univeral, easy to use product to a mass
> > > market
> > > for free. Autodesk robs us every year with a mandatory subscription
> > > that
> > > cost me over $700 per each of my five liscenses. Sketchup does not
> > > produce
> > > the same level of documentation as Revit however so I am stuck
> > > supporting
> > > Revit.
> > >
> > > I would love to see if anyone has success in creating a 3d model of
> > the
> > > Rhodes 22 in sketchup or any other program. I explored this a bit
> but
> > > the
> > > complex hull curvature makes it a real challange. My goal is to map
> > out
> > > electronic and other components in a 3d model of our boats. Let me
> > know
> > > if
> > > anyone has success in this. It would be pretty easy to share
> sketchup
> > > models and collaborate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Google warehouse is a good place to look for existing models.
> > Enclosed
> > > is
> > > an imgage from a sailboat model found in the google warehouse.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27737330/sailboat50.jpg sailboat50.jpg
> > >
> > > Chris Cowie
> > > Opus R22 2009
> > >
> > >
> > > R22MikeW wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi fellow Rhodies,
> > >>
> > >> I got tired of trying to do diagrams in Windows Paint program and
> > > didn't
> > >> feel like purchasing a license / copy of AutoCAD ($$$$) for simple
> > >> documentation drawings for the boat and home. I turned to Google
> > > search
> > >> and found a product that I still cannot believe is FREE! It is
> > called
> > >> Google SketchUp (http://sketchup.google.com/). I doubt any of us
> > need
> > >> SketchUp Pro ($495.) I downloaded a copy of SketchUp 7 and watched
> > > the
> > >> video tutorials. The product is outrageous! 3D perspective
> drawings
> > > are
> > >> a breeze. Auto-dimensioning, textures, everything that I could ask
> > > for!
> > >> Very intuitive and forgiving (love the infinite undo levels!) Try
> it
> > >> before they raise the price!
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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> > >
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:51:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> > From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
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> > Parts of the Potomac are quite shallow, and this may be the case here.
> At
> > least some of the airport, not too distant from this marina, was built
> onto
> > landfill. You may be able to get a depth, Mark.
> >
> > Art
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> > >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:24 PM
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >Stan's right -- we can't know for sure if the boat was floating in
> the
> > picture -- there are fairly significant tides in the marina, so who
> knows if
> > it's low or high tide. I can't find the photos to take a look at the
> docks
> > relative to the land.
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 12:25 pm
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > >Stan:
> > >
> > >Given the other boats floating nearby I would say that the Rhodes is
> > floating.
> > >
> > >Christopher P. Cowie
> > >
> > >
> > >4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > >Suite 300
> > >Washington, DC 20007
> > >202.342.2711
> > >202.342.2691 fax
> > >202.270.1470 mobile
> > >
> > >[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >cowieassociates.com
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> > >On Behalf Of stan
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:32 AM
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> > the
> > >boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > keeping
> > >the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >
> > >ss
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Stan:
> > >>
> > >> I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes 22
> > >> at
> > >> the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > >> with
> > >> water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >>
> > >> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >>
> > >> Cowie
> > >> R22 2009 Opus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> stanleyl wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > am
> > >>> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > >>> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > >>> question
> > >>> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> > >>> never
> > >>> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >>>
> > >>> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > was
> > >>> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > >>> their
> > >>> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >>> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > >>> on
> > >>> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > >>> for
> > >>> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >>> showed
> > >>> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> > >>> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > >>> the
> > >>> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > >>> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >>> lifted
> > >>> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > they
> > >>> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>>
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > >>>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory, and
> > >>>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > took
> > >>>> on water and went down.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mark P.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Stan,
> > >>>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > >>>> went
> > >>>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > >>>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>>> probably
> > >>>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >>>> chance of
> > >>>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >>>> water
> > >>>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >>>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >>>> down
> > >>>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > >>>> up,
> > >>>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >>>> waiting
> > >>>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > was
> > >>>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before the
> > >>>> owner
> > >>>> ad her raised.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ummy
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>>> Dave,
> > >>>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > >>>> ompletely
> > >>>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >>>> above
> > >>>> ater level?
> > >>>> stan/gbi
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> rl :
> > >>>>
> >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:59:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> > From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
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> > Maybe of interest in our fleet. I have been quite impressed with a
> new
> > Garmin 10X, available only thru them. It is quite small with LiIon 22
> hr
> > power, bluetooth connecting and impressive. Give me a holler if
> curious.
> >
> > Art
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: mputnam1 at aol.com
> > >Sent: Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >Stan,
> > >
> > >
> > >The number Mary Lou gave you is correct: 703-548-9027. The manager's
> name
> > is Brian Pavlik and he should be in the office today. He's a good guy
> and
> > I'm sure he'll answer your questions.
> > >
> > >
> > >Mark P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:06 am
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > >Stan,
> > >
> > >Maybe nobody knows for sure. Give the Marina a call and ask them.
> > >
> > >Hank
> > >
> > >On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether
> the
> > >> water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be
> under
> > >> water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > >> theory).
> > >> I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat
> went
> > down
> > >> no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> > further
> > >> because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> > >>
> > >> ss
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Stan,
> > >> >
> > >> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > >> >
> > >> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > >> > asked
> > >> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they
> > >> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that
> > >> > sank
> > >> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> > water
> > >> > and
> > >> > went down.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark P.
> > >> >
> > >> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.
> Did
> > >> you
> > >> > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From
> the
> > photo
> > >> > of
> > >> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded
> the
> > >> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I
> suspect
> > that
> > >> > they
> > >> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > >> >
> > >> > Hank
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't
> tell
> > if
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded
> in
> > >> >> keeping
> > >> >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ss
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Stan:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> > Rhodes
> > >> >> > 22
> > >> >> > at
> > >> >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> > flooded
> > >> >> > with
> > >> >> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Cowie
> > >> >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> > because
> > >> I
> > >> >> am
> > >> >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats
> were
> > >> >> completely
> > >> >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked
> that
> > >> >> >> question
> > >> >> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes
> > >> was
> > >> >> >> never
> > >> >> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the
> Rhodes
> > deck
> > >> >> >> was
> > >> >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all
> boats
> > had
> > >> >> >> their
> > >> >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and
> therefore
> > no
> > >> >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats
> were
> > >> >> sitting
> > >> >> >> on
> > >> >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > >> >> level.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > >> expensive
> > >> >> >> for
> > >> >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> > photos
> > >> >> >> showed
> > >> >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water
> level
> > >> reaches
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only
> report I
> > >> >> >> recall
> > >> >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a
> rouge
> > wave
> > >> >> >> lifted
> > >> >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it
> floated
> > and
> > >> >> they
> > >> >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> stan/gbi
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not
> go
> > down.
> > >> >> >>> I
> > >> >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> > theory,
> > >> >> >>> and
> > >> >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of
> the
> > >> >> >>> boats
> > >> >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to
> one
> > side,
> > >> >> took
> > >> >> >>> on water and went down.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Mark P.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Stan,
> > >> >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that
> the
> > >> boats
> > >> >> >>> went
> > >> >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is
> a
> > >> shallow
> > >> >> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the
> boats to
> > >> >> >>> reach
> > >> >> >>> the
> > >> >> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a
> chance and
> > >> >> >>> probably
> > >> >> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had
> the
> > best
> > >> >> >>> chance of
> > >> >> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably
> filled
> > with
> > >> >> >>> water
> > >> >> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >> >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the
> water
> > went
> > >> >> >>> down
> > >> >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level
> came
> > >> back
> > >> >> >>> up,
> > >> >> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> > bottom
> > >> >> >>> waiting
> > >> >> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan
> 25
> > that
> > >> >> was
> > >> >> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> > before
> > >> >> >>> the
> > >> >> >>> owner
> > >> >> >>> ad her raised.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> ummy
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
> > >> >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >> >> >>> Dave,
> > >> >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> > boats
> > >> >> >>> ompletely
> > >> >> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the
> masts)
> > still
> > >> >> >>> above
> > >> >> >>> ater level?
> > >> >> >>> stan/gbi
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> >> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> >> >>> ame: not available
> > >> >> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >> >> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >> >> >>> esc: not available
> > >> >> >>> rl :
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
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> and
> > >> >> >>> archives
> > >> >> >>> go
> > >> >> >>> to
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> > >> >> >>> _________________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> > >> >> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list
> and
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> > >> >> >>> go
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> > >> >> >>> __________________________________________________
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________
> > >> >> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > >> archives
> > >> >> go
> > >> >> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > --
> > >> >> > View this message in context:
> > >> >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/Washington-Sailing-Marina-tp27816104p27823731.html
> > >> >> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > __________________________________________________
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >
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> > go
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> > >>
> > >> __________________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >__________________________________________________
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> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:08:08 -0500
> > From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C3600234884F at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > Welcome you lucky heir! Heirship might not be a bad name for your
> boat.
> > Hotheir and Heirhead sound kind of nautical too.
> >
> > You may have seen in the archives that we have quite a few Rhodes22
> > owners in and around the Annapolis area. Have you found a marina yet?
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
> Porter
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:15 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello!
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. I'm the
> soon-to-be
> > owner of a 1995/2002 Rhodes 22. My uncle has decided that he'll get
> > more
> > enjoyment out of his Rhodes if he gives her to me, his (very lucky and
> > appreciative) nephew who happens to live in Maryland with easy access
> to
> > the
> > Severn River and Chesapeake Bay.
> >
> > I've enjoyed reading through your list archives and getting an
> insider's
> > perspective on the Rhodes 22. My wife and I are still a bit in shock
> > over
> > the "inheritance;" my uncle (who would be the first to tell you that
> > he's
> > the king stupid purchases) seems to have picked the perfect boat.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Matt Porter
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any
> attachments, is
> > for the sole use of the intended
> > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information.
> Any
> > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.
> > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by
> reply
> > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 23:26:57 -0800
> > From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <001201cac023$11b3e0f0$351ba2d0$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > You have nailed it, er uh, I mean uh.......
> >
> > Chris Da Greek G
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of KUHN, LELAND
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 06:13
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> >
> > Chris da Greek,
> >
> > How's this? "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> >
> > Hey Stan,
> > Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> > turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud. All I did was pull
> the
> > cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a
> cheap
> > uh,
> > uh, I need another analogy here. Anyway, It took two frantic guys
> with
> > 5
> > gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of
> water.
> > The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I
> remember
> > so
> > bailing wasn't a problem.
> > Chris da Greek G
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> > Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> > am
> > still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > question
> > to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> > never
> >
> > completely submerged. Were any others?
> >
> > If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> >
> > still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
> > their
> > decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> > positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting on
> >
> > the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> >
> > I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> > for
> > us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> > showed
> > that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> > cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> > the
> > cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> > lifted
> >
> > his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> > they
> > disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >
> > stan/gbi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> I
> >
> > > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> >
> > > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> >
> > > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> > took
> > > on water and went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan,
> > > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > went
> > > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > > arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > the
> > > ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > probably
> > > illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > > chance of
> > > urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> > water
> > > nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> > down
> > > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > up,
> > > any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > > waiting
> > > or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> > was
> > > aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> >
> > > owner
> > > ad her raised.
> > >
> > > ummy
> > >
> > >
> > > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > Dave,
> > > I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > > ompletely
> > > nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> > above
> > > ater level?
> > > stan/gbi
> > >
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > ame: not available
> > > ype: image/jpeg
> > > ize: 1123147 bytes
> > > esc: not available
> > > rl :
> > >
> >
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> >
> > f/attachment.jpeg
> > > __________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:08:04 -0500
> > From: "Captainpy" <captainpy at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <F65DE5C95D1B447CBADE6B1CBA49D39F at Deena>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > If you have never been to Tampa bay, A nice quick stop is at beer can
> > Island. Phil and I had gone there on a Pontoon a couple years ago
> from Mc
> > Dill Airbase. There is a dock there you can pull up to. It looks
> very
> > similar To the one in the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks. It is not
> very
> > large and you can walk around its perimeter in about 15-20 mins. I
> walked
> > along the Beach a few feet out into the water and had some shrimp
> scurry
> > across my toes.
> >
> > Deena
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> > rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:00 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2146, Issue 1
> >
> > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (John Lock)
> > 2. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Bob Keller)
> > 3. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Bob Keller)
> > 4. Re: Diamond Board Depth (cowie)
> > 5. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Leland)
> > 6. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
> > 7. Re: Submerged Rhodes (Rick)
> > 8. Re: Tampa Bay area mini cruise (Mike Cheung)
> > 9. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Mary Lou Troy)
> > 10. Re: Positively positive flotation (Geankoplis)
> > 11. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (Eugene D McGee)
> > 12. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1 (stan)
> > 13. Re: Positively positive flotation (KUHN, LELAND)
> > 14. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
> > 15. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
> > 16. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Mary Lou Troy)
> > 17. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (stan)
> > 18. Re: Washington Sailing Marina (Hank)
> > 19. Re: Diamond Board Depth (Rick)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:12:50 -0500
> > From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <EF4FA90D-AA00-437D-91E2-7126B18CE699 at relevantarts.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > If I recall from the photos, she was over on the port side. So not
> > likely to be the sink drain, since that's on the starboard side (for
> > most of us anyway) and would have been well above the waterline when
> > listing to port.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > John Lock
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > Lake Sinclair, GA
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:28, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > > Thanks for the input Mark. Still surprised that a R22 would go so
> far
> > > over but if the cockpit drains were blocked water could get into the
> > > cabin. If it listed far enough water could come in through the sink
> > > drain. The way the boat was tied may also have interfered with it's
> > > ability to remain level or to recover.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Mary Lou
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:23:07 -0500
> > From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <SNT131-w28694B6880D13E66CFDAEBD1350 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
> >
> > BK
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> > > From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > >
> > >
> > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > for
> > > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > diamond
> > > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from the
> keel
> > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > water
> > > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> > > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems
> to
> > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> older
> > style
> > > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom of
> > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft
> is
> > about
> > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> > slight
> > > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> > illustration_02.jpg
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > Opus 2009
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:30:35 -0500
> > From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <SNT131-w5E5B01D69D0D2CAF472A1D1350 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Sounds like a good trip. Please post your trip log when you return.
> Not a
> > real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the
> anchorages,
> > marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way. We are
> considering
> > going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip as it is only
> 5
> > hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go to Punta
> Gorda
> > further south. Let me know how it goes and how it is to sail around
> there.
> >
> > Thanks and good luck.
> >
> > Bob K
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:08:47 -0800
> > > From: mikecheung at att.net
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> > >
> > >
> > > My Admiral and I are bareboating a Beneteau 323 out of St Pete next
> week
> > on a
> > > 3 day / 2 night mini cruise. To make this Rhodes relevant, it was a
> close
> > > call between bareboating and towing our Rhodes, s/v Muireann, down.
> And,
> > in
> > > more Rhodes relevance, our owning a 22' sailboat along with some ASA
> > courses
> > > completed before we got Muireann made bareboating easy. In the end,
> > taking
> > > our Mooney 231 down and bareboating won out over driving, this time.
> It
> > was
> > > close, but we're a little pressed for time so the 5 hour trip using
> the
> > > Mooney won out over a probably 20 hour or more trip towing Muireann
> to
> > FL.
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, our plans aren't firm yet, but the basic idea, assuming the
> > weather
> > > cooperates, is to visit Egmont Key day one, spend night one on the
> hook
> > in
> > > or near the Manatee River, and "play it be ear" for day two/ night
> two,
> > > possibly returning to St Pete to hit the restaurants or spending
> another
> > > night on the hook probably somewhere along the south side of Tampa
> Bay.
> > >
> > > Any "must see" or "must sail" stuff that we should be considering?
> > >
> > > Mike Cheung, s/v Muireann
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Mike Cheung
> > > s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> >
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> l
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> > >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:41:56 -0800 (PST)
> > From: cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <27828783.post at talk.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> >
> > Bob:
> >
> > Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half way
> down
> > and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to
> point
> > higher into the wind. Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my sails
> > better. I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60 degrees
> of
> > the
> > apparent wind when beating. Enclosed is a trip I recorded last year
> on my
> > iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of
> measurements.
> > The average angle off the wind for the trip is about 54 degrees.
> According
> > to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf file, that?s about
> average
> > for a shallow draft boat. At least it's better than 90 degrees for a
> > square
> > rigger; otherwise we would never get anywhere.
> >
> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
> >
> >
> > Bob Keller wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
> > >
> > > BK
> > >
> > >> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> > >> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > >> for
> > >> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > >> diamond
> > >> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from
> the
> > keel
> > >> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > >> water
> > >> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is my
> > >> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems
> to
> > >> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> older
> > >> style
> > >> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom
> of
> > >> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft
> is
> > >> about
> > >> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> > >> slight
> > >> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >>
> > >> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> > >> illustration_02.jpg
> > >>
> > >> Cowie
> > >> Opus 2009
> > >> --
> > >> View this message in context:
> > >> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <27829335.post at talk.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Several years ago I measured 45 degrees in a 12 knot wind, serious
> chop,
> > full main pulled tight with the traveler centered, board down, boom
> down,
> > hands-free with the tiller locked. The Genoa sheets were run across
> the
> > cabin top between the inside shrouds and mast so the headsail was
> pulled
> > tight to almost 100%.
> >
> > I'm certainly no expert but to get the Genoa tight enough for good
> pointing
> > it seems like you need to run the sheets as close to the inside as
> > possible.
> >
> > I frequently run them between the inside and outside shrouds across
> the
> > deck
> > and am guessing that I'm still not hitting 50 degrees into the wind.
> > Having
> > the board down only helps until your sails start luffing.
> >
> > I'd love to hear some other opinions on this. It wouldn't be the
> first
> > time
> > I've been wrong on my sailing advice. :)
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cowie wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob:
> > >
> > > Thanks, I was hoping someone would tell me the board is only half
> way
> > down
> > > and that by lowering it all the way I would improve my ability to
> point
> > > higher into the wind. Suppose I just need to learn to adjust my
> sails
> > > better. I seem to only be able to come to within about 50-60
> degrees of
> > > the apparent wind when beating. Enclosed is a trip I recorded last
> year
> > > on my iphone and then imported to cad in order to do a crude set of
> > > measurements. The average angle off the wind for the trip is about
> 54
> > > degrees. According to Wikipedia, see page two of the enclosed pdf
> file,
> > > that?s about average for a shallow draft boat. At least it's better
> than
> > > 90 degrees for a square rigger; otherwise we would never get
> anywhere.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27828783/trip_01.pdf trip_01.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Keller wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Looks to me as if it is all the way down.
> > >>
> > >> BK
> > >>
> > >>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:30:26 -0800
> > >>> From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > >>> for
> > >>> the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower
> the
> > >>> diamond
> > >>> board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from
> the
> > >>> keel
> > >>> to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > >>> water
> > >>> line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is
> my
> > >>> diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems
> to
> > >>> match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> older
> > >>> style
> > >>> center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom
> of
> > >>> diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the
> draft is
> > >>> about
> > >>> 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume
> a
> > >>> slight
> > >>> heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpg
> > >>> illustration_02.jpg
> > >>>
> > >>> Cowie
> > >>> Opus 2009
> > >>> --
> > >>> View this message in context:
> > >>> http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > >>> t from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >>>
> > >>> __________________________________________________
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> > >>>
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> archives
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:45:56 -0500
> > From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <52e9a141003081645s6652b977u350576bfa128340b at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my boat
> is on
> > the lift
> > --handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show the
> block,
> > I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling
> line.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > for
> > > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower the
> > > diamond
> > > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from
> the
> > keel
> > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > > water
> > > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is
> my
> > > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this seems
> to
> > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> older
> > > style
> > > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom
> of
> > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the draft
> is
> > > about
> > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume a
> > slight
> > > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.
> jpg<http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.%0Ajpg>
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > Opus 2009
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > > http://old.nabble.com/Diamond-Board-Depth-tp27819957p27819957.html
> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> > >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:16:44 -0500
> > From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <52e9a141003081716q5fc40224s7c126767858a8b3d at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> > Sorry, I misread your question. The blue is pretty pale.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I understand about the Teflon and copper but I also want a dark blue
> > > bottom. Right now my Rhodes is aqua green and that is not my choice
> of
> > > color. I know you really can't see that much when it is in water but
> most
> > of
> > > time it is on trailer.
> > >
> > > Derek Dodson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:11 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > >
> > > Derek,
> > >
> > > The color makes no difference. Its all about the teflon and copper
> > oxide.
> > >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > I doubt there is anything worse than Lake Erie gunk. It even
> includes
> > > zebra
> > > and quagire mussels. With VC17, it just power washes off once a
> year.
> > >
> > > I know a guy who smuggles VC17 into Florida to paint his boat docked
> in
> > > brackish water where ocean mussels grow. (VC17 is not legal in
> every
> > > state.)
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Derek Dodson <ddodson at ebcc.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have to do a bottom paint job on my Rhodes. Has anyone used the
> V17
> > > blue
> > > > and if so is it a dark blue or light blue?
> > > >
> > > > Derek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 5:52 AM
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > > I already have the best bottom paint for this lake, but as stated,
> Lake
> > > > Hartwell slime is impervious to almost every brand available. I
> will
> > > still
> > > > need to scrape the bottom (lightly) at least once a year.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/4/2010 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > Rummy,
> > > >
> > > > Save yourself the cost and aggrivation of a floating dock and
> paint
> > the
> > > > bottom with VC17.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Stan,
> > > > > That's just one more reason for me to convince the admiral that
> we
> > > need
> > > > a
> > > > > float for the R22 as well as her run about. The last time I
> checked,
> > > > they
> > > > > ran around $5,000.00 installed, but it sure would be nice to
> get
> > her
> > > up
> > > > > and
> > > > > out of the water. Even with bottom paint, Lake Hartwell can
> leave a
> > > > nasty
> > > > > stripe around the water line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2010 3:05:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > stan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > your and Rummy of course are correct - I think that is a
> shallow
> > > water
> > > > way
> > > > > and might theorize that the snow load was enough to push it
> down
> > > enough
> > > > to
> > > > > bed the keel in the mud (the self bailers would have been
> clogged)
> > > and
> > > > > once
> > > > > full of water it did not take much resistance to keep it
> down?
> > > > >
> > > > > ss
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Stan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought that ice floats on water? If the ice caused
> > submersion,
> > > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > only be until it starts to float (hull might be under but
> not on
> > > > > bottom.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > > > > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "stan" Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:05 PM
> > > > > >> believe it - I think 6 went down and at least one was a
> Rhodes
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> the weight of the ice was more than the floatation could
> > handle.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ss
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:58 PM
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Submerged Rhodes
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Marlan,
> > > > > >>> I have trouble believing that this is a Rhodes 22. R22's
> don't
> > > > sink.
> > > > > >>> They
> > > > > >>> are built with positive flotation.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Rummy
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In a message dated 3/3/2010 12:21:18 P.M. Eastern Standard
> > Time,
> > > > > >>> marlangreen at hotmail.com writes:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This was sent out through my sailing club. Washingotn
> Sailing
> > > > Marina
> > > > > is
> > > > > >>> on
> > > > > >>> the Virginia side of the Potomac. I'm not sure if this is
> a
> > > Rhodes
> > > > or
> > > > > >>> not.
> > > > > >>> If it is will anyone out there save it?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> See attached document for photos
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Marlan
> > > > > >>> Message:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Per discussions with Washington Sailing Marina (WSM)
> there
> > > > > >>> is still one boat down (see pic #1 and #2 on this page).
> It
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > >>> Rhodes
> > > > > >>> 22? Of recent vintage with ballpark before storm values
> of 5k
> > or
> > > > 10k
> > > > > or
> > > > > >>> even
> > > > > >>> 20k.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> At the going rate of 20 per foot for diver salvage the
> > > > > >>> insurance company may be looking at the cost of salvaging
> for 4
> > > or
> > > > 5k
> > > > > a
> > > > > >>> boat
> > > > > >>> which may only now be worth much less.
> > > > > >>> This may be an opportunity for a SCOW member to make an
> offer
> > on
> > > > this
> > > > > >>> boat. Per WSM a sealed letter could be
> > > > > >>> mailed to the slip holder. It may say
> > > > > >>> something akin to ? ?I?m willing to pay _____ (amount)
> for
> > this
> > > > boat?
> > > > > .
> > > > > >>> Note also that slip fees are due on this slip
> > > > > >>> on April 1st, 2010.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:29:38 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Mike Cheung <mikecheung at att.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tampa Bay area mini cruise
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Message-ID: <27830223.post at talk.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> > Bob ... will do. And as much as we're looking forward to having the
> 323 to
> > play with; I envy you the opportunity to ply those waters in an R22.
> > Judging from some of the sounding's, you'll have less to "sweat" than
> we
> > will with the 323 as we pick our way into the anchorage behind De Soto
> > point. Not to worry, we'll get Muireann down there sooner or later;
> our
> > son
> > is at USF for the next few years. If we had three more days, we'd be
> > towing
> > Muireann down there for sure, but we're a little jammed up for time
> and the
> > Mooney is whispering "choose me".
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Bob Keller wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Sounds like a good trip. Please post your trip log when you return.
> Not
> > > a real log, just what you did, where you sailed and how were the
> > > anchorages, marinas, restaurants, bars and beaches along the way.
> We are
> > > considering going to the Tampa area for an R-22 trailersailing trip
> as it
> > > is only 5 hours drive from us, but we always drive past there and go
> to
> > > Punta Gorda further south. Let me know how it goes and how it is to
> sail
> > > around there.
> > >
> > > Thanks and good luck.
> > >
> > > Bob K
> > >
> > > _
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Cheung
> > s/v Muireann 1993/2008 Rhodes 22
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/Tampa-Bay-area-mini-cruise-tp27823435p27830223.htm
> l
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:11:47 -0500
> > From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <B9.46.21991.E6EA59B4 at BL-106>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a lot
> > variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> > >Chris,
> > >
> > >I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my boat
> is on
> > >the lift
> > >--handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show the
> > block,
> > >I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling
> line.
> > >
> > >Rick
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my boat
> ready
> > for
> > > > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower
> the
> > > > diamond
> > > > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24" from
> the
> > keel
> > > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6" from
> the
> > > > water
> > > > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this: is
> my
> > > > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this
> seems to
> > > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> older
> > > > style
> > > > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to bottom
> of
> > > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the
> draft is
> > > > about
> > > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20" asume
> a
> > slight
> > > > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.
> jpg<http://old.nabble.com/file/p27819957/illustration_02.jpgillustration_02.%0Ajpg>
> > > >
> > > > Cowie
> > > > Opus 2009
> > > > --
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:44:01 -0800
> > From: "Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <000001cabf32$60f8f980$22eaec80$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hey Stan,
> > Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> > turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud. All I did was pull
> the
> > cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a
> cheap
> > uh,
> > uh, I need another analogy here. Anyway, It took two frantic guys
> with 5
> > gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of
> water.
> > The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I
> remember so
> > bailing wasn't a problem.
> > Chris da Greek G
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> > Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> am
> > still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> completely
> > submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> question
> > to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> > never
> >
> > completely submerged. Were any others?
> >
> > If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> > still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
> their
> > decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> > positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> sitting
> > on
> >
> > the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> level.
> >
> > I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> for
> > us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> showed
> > that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> > cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> the
> > cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> > lifted
> >
> > his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> they
> > disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >
> > stan/gbi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> I
> > > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> took
> > > on water and went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan,
> > > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > went
> > > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > > arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > the
> > > ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > probably
> > > illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > > chance of
> > > urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> water
> > > nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> down
> > > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back up,
> > > any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > > waiting
> > > or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> was
> > > aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > > owner
> > > ad her raised.
> > >
> > > ummy
> > >
> > >
> > > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > Dave,
> > > I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > > ompletely
> > > nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> above
> > > ater level?
> > > stan/gbi
> > >
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> > > rl :
> > >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 11
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:10:58 -0500
> > From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: 'stan' <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Message-ID: <1F673E6FB1FD44AB9E6F0DD291C30DC2 at D4GNX321>
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> >
> >
> >
> > Stan:
> >
> > I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was
> already
> > up
> > so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock, tugged
> her
> > upright and pumped her out.
> >
> > Dave M.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > completely
> >
> > under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> above
> > water level?
> >
> > stan/gbi
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:45:50 -0500
> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <EC7673F052C6489A80B81120982399D3 at rhodes>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > thanks but I have given up on my analysis since after three tries I
> can
> > still not get an answer to water depth with my question of whether any
> of
> > the 6 boats were under water.
> >
> > ss
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eugene D McGee" <edavemcgee at cox.net>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2145, Issue 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I stopped by the marina on Saturday to see the Rhodes but she was
> already
> > > up
> > > so do not know. I bet you that they got her away from the dock,
> tugged
> > her
> > > upright and pumped her out.
> > >
> > > Dave M.
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:16:30 -0500
> > > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Message-ID: <82D8FCD4C9DB4273A2C81E87A3DE9EE8 at rhodes>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > > completely
> > >
> > > under water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> above
> > > water level?
> > >
> > > stan/gbi
> > >
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> > Message: 13
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:12:43 -0500
> > From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <BAEF334992594C47AD272D6B69E6C360023487B7 at EXCHVS02.cnmc.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Chris da Greek,
> >
> > How's this? "...she rolled over like a cheap, well-Rhode oar."
> >
> > Lee
> > 1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geankoplis
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:44 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Positively positive flotation
> >
> > Hey Stan,
> > Don't forget my similar experience when my 1st Rhodes (76) was
> > turned turtle and the mast driven into the mud. All I did was pull
> the
> > cleaves pins and tabernacle bolt and voila' she rolled over like a
> cheap
> > uh,
> > uh, I need another analogy here. Anyway, It took two frantic guys
> with
> > 5
> > gallon buckets a very short time to have her pretty much empty of
> water.
> > The boat with standard mast floated well above the gunnels as I
> remember
> > so
> > bailing wasn't a problem.
> > Chris da Greek G
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 08:15
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> > Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here because I
> > am
> > still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > question
> > to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes was
> > never
> >
> > completely submerged. Were any others?
> >
> > If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes deck
> was
> >
> > still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats had
> > their
> > decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore no
> > positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting on
> >
> > the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> >
> > I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very expensive
> > for
> > us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those photos
> > showed
> > that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above the
> > cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level reaches
> > the
> > cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge wave
> > lifted
> >
> > his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated and
> > they
> > disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> >
> > stan/gbi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> I
> >
> > > asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> >
> > > they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> >
> > > that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side,
> > took
> > > on water and went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > Stan,
> > > 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > went
> > > down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > > arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > the
> > > ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > probably
> > > illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the best
> > > chance of
> > > urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled with
> > water
> > > nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water went
> > down
> > > aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > up,
> > > any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the bottom
> > > waiting
> > > or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25 that
> > was
> > > aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> >
> > > owner
> > > ad her raised.
> > >
> > > ummy
> > >
> > >
> > > n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > Dave,
> > > I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > > ompletely
> > > nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts) still
> > above
> > > ater level?
> > > stan/gbi
> > >
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> > > rl :
> > >
> >
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> > Message: 14
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:31:31 -0500
> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <4A82ED3C4A634DE6841E584F4E736B90 at rhodes>
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> >
> > thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if the
> > boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> keeping
> > the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Stan:
> > >
> > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes 22
> > > at
> > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > > with
> > > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >
> > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >
> > > Cowie
> > > R22 2009 Opus
> > >
> > >
> > > stanleyl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > am
> > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > >> question
> > >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the Rhodes
> was
> > >> never
> > >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >>
> > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck was
> > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > >> their
> > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > >> on
> > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the flotation
> > level.
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > >> for
> > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> showed
> > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just above
> the
> > >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > >> the
> > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> recall
> > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> lifted
> > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > they
> > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >>
> > >> stan/gbi
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory,
> and
> > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> boats
> > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > took
> > >>> on water and went down.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark P.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > >>> went
> > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> reach
> > >>> the
> > >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance and
> > >>> probably
> > >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >>> chance of
> > >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >>> water
> > >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >>> down
> > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > >>> up,
> > >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >>> waiting
> > >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > was
> > >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months before
> the
> > >>> owner
> > >>> ad her raised.
> > >>>
> > >>> ummy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all boats
> > >>> ompletely
> > >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >>> above
> > >>> ater level?
> > >>> stan/gbi
> > >>>
> > >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > >>> ame: not available
> > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >>> esc: not available
> > >>> rl :
> > >>>
> >
> >
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:44:45 -0500
> > From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <c319c8b51003090744n4f03906ap9e154c5f4b9ec308 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> > I think Mark did answer your question.
> >
> > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down. I
> > asked
> > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and they
> > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats that
> sank
> > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> water and
> > went down.
> >
> > Mark P.
> >
> > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test. Did
> you
> > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the
> photo of
> > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded the
> > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect
> that
> > they
> > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> > > thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> > the
> > > boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > keeping
> > > the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >
> > > ss
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Stan:
> > > >
> > > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> > 22
> > > > at
> > > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > > > with
> > > > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > > >
> > > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Cowie
> > > > R22 2009 Opus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > stanleyl wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > > am
> > > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > > completely
> > > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > > >> question
> > > >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes was
> > > >> never
> > > >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > > >>
> > > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > was
> > > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > > >> their
> > > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > > sitting
> > > >> on
> > > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > > level.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > > >> for
> > > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > > >> showed
> > > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above the
> > > >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > > >> the
> > > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> > recall
> > > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > > >> lifted
> > > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > > they
> > > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > > >>
> > > >> stan/gbi
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> > I
> > > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> > and
> > > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> > boats
> > > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > > took
> > > >>> on water and went down.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mark P.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Stan,
> > > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > > >>> went
> > > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > > >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> > reach
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance
> and
> > > >>> probably
> > > >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > > >>> chance of
> > > >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > > >>> water
> > > >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > > >>> down
> > > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > > >>> up,
> > > >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > > >>> waiting
> > > >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > > was
> > > >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> > the
> > > >>> owner
> > > >>> ad her raised.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ummy
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > >>> Dave,
> > > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > > >>> ompletely
> > > >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > > >>> above
> > > >>> ater level?
> > > >>> stan/gbi
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > >>> ame: not available
> > > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > > >>> esc: not available
> > > >>> rl :
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 16
> > Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:57:35 -0500
> > From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID: <8F.C5.07076.5FF669B4 at BL-206>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Assuming this is the right marina, you could always call them. If you
> > can talk to the manager or dockmaster, I'm sure she or she will know
> > what slip the R22 was in and what the depth is at that slip.
> >
> > Washington Sailing Marina
> > www.washingtonsailingmarina.com
> > 1 Marina Drive
> > Alexandria, VA 22314-1143
> > (703) 548-9027
> >
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:31 AM 3/9/2010, you wrote:
> > >thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't tell
> if
> > the
> > >boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > keeping
> > >the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >
> > >ss
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Stan:
> > > >
> > > > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> > 22
> > > > at
> > > > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > > > with
> > > > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > > >
> > > > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Cowie
> > > > R22 2009 Opus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > stanleyl wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because I
> > am
> > > >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > completely
> > > >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked that
> > > >> question
> > > >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes was
> > > >> never
> > > >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > > >>
> > > >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > was
> > > >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all boats
> had
> > > >> their
> > > >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and therefore
> no
> > > >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats were
> > sitting
> > > >> on
> > > >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > level.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> expensive
> > > >> for
> > > >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > > >> showed
> > > >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above the
> > > >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> reaches
> > > >> the
> > > >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> > recall
> > > >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > > >> lifted
> > > >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > they
> > > >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > > >>
> > > >> stan/gbi
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> > I
> > > >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> > and
> > > >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the
> > boats
> > > >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > took
> > > >>> on water and went down.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mark P.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Stan,
> > > >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> boats
> > > >>> went
> > > >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> shallow
> > > >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats to
> > reach
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance
> and
> > > >>> probably
> > > >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > > >>> chance of
> > > >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > > >>> water
> > > >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > > >>> down
> > > >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level came
> back
> > > >>> up,
> > > >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > > >>> waiting
> > > >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > was
> > > >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> > the
> > > >>> owner
> > > >>> ad her raised.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ummy
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > >>> Dave,
> > > >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > > >>> ompletely
> > > >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > > >>> above
> > > >>> ater level?
> > > >>> stan/gbi
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > > >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > >>> ame: not available
> > > >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > > >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > > >>> esc: not available
> > > >>> rl :
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 17
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:01:27 -0500
> > From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> >
> > I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether
> the
> > water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be under
> > water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > theory).
> >
> > I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat went
> down
> > no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> further
> > because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> >
> >
> > > Stan,
> > >
> > > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > >
> > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go down.
> I
> > > asked
> > > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they
> > > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that
> > > sank
> > > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> water
> > > and
> > > went down.
> > >
> > > Mark P.
> > >
> > > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.
> Did
> > you
> > > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the
> photo
> > > of
> > > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded
> the
> > > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect
> that
> > > they
> > > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't
> tell if
> > >> the
> > >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded in
> > >> keeping
> > >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > >>
> > >> ss
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Stan:
> > >> >
> > >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> Rhodes
> > >> > 22
> > >> > at
> > >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> flooded
> > >> > with
> > >> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > >> >
> > >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > >> >
> > >> > Cowie
> > >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> because
> > I
> > >> am
> > >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > >> completely
> > >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked
> that
> > >> >> question
> > >> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes
> > was
> > >> >> never
> > >> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the Rhodes
> deck
> > >> >> was
> > >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all
> boats had
> > >> >> their
> > >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and
> therefore no
> > >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats
> were
> > >> sitting
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > >> level.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > expensive
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> photos
> > >> >> showed
> > >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above
> > the
> > >> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> > reaches
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report I
> > >> >> recall
> > >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a rouge
> wave
> > >> >> lifted
> > >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it floated
> and
> > >> they
> > >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> stan/gbi
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down.
> > >> >>> I
> > >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> > >> >>> and
> > >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of
> the
> > >> >>> boats
> > >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> side,
> > >> took
> > >> >>> on water and went down.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Mark P.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Stan,
> > >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that the
> > boats
> > >> >>> went
> > >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> > shallow
> > >> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats
> to
> > >> >>> reach
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance
> and
> > >> >>> probably
> > >> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had the
> best
> > >> >>> chance of
> > >> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably filled
> with
> > >> >>> water
> > >> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the water
> went
> > >> >>> down
> > >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level
> came
> > back
> > >> >>> up,
> > >> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> bottom
> > >> >>> waiting
> > >> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan 25
> that
> > >> was
> > >> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> owner
> > >> >>> ad her raised.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> ummy
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > >> >>> Dave,
> > >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > >> >>> ompletely
> > >> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> still
> > >> >>> above
> > >> >>> ater level?
> > >> >>> stan/gbi
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> >>> non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> >>> ame: not available
> > >> >>> ype: image/jpeg
> > >> >>> ize: 1123147 bytes
> > >> >>> esc: not available
> > >> >>> rl :
> > >> >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:06:03 -0500
> > From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <c319c8b51003090806p1d300732l3e457096897fdf77 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> > Maybe nobody knows for sure. Give the Marina a call and ask them.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I feel like Judge Judy - no one is answering my question of whether
> the
> > > water at those slips is deep enough so that a down boat would be
> under
> > > water. ( I never asked and had no interest in the water in and out
> > > theory).
> > > I thought it was a simple question that would establish if a boat
> went
> > down
> > > no further because it was sitting on the bottom or it went down no
> > further
> > > because it was being supported at that level by floatation.
> > >
> > > ss
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stan,
> > > >
> > > > I think Mark did answer your question.
> > > >
> > > > My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> down. I
> > > > asked
> > > > the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out theory, and
> they
> > > > assured me that did not happen. They report that all of the boats
> that
> > > > sank
> > > > were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one side, took on
> water
> > > > and
> > > > went down.
> > > >
> > > > Mark P.
> > > >
> > > > I couldn't find the photos on your website of the flotation test.
> Did
> > > you
> > > > do it with the mast installed? Was it an IMF with Sail? From the
> > photo
> > > > of
> > > > the boat at WSM it looks like after she took on water and flooded
> the
> > > > cockpit, the weight of the mast cause a 90 degree roll. I suspect
> that
> > > > they
> > > > righted her and were then able to bail/pump her out.
> > > >
> > > > Hank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:31 AM, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> thanks CC - but with no indication of water depth I still can't
> tell
> > if
> > > >> the
> > > >> boat is sitting on the bottom or if the floatation has succeeded
> in
> > > >> keeping
> > > >> the boat afloat even with all that flooding.
> > > >>
> > > >> ss
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > > >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 11:29 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Stan:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I previoulsy posted a pdf file that includes two photos of the
> > Rhodes
> > > >> > 22
> > > >> > at
> > > >> > the Washingtong Sailing Marina and she is not submerged rather
> > flooded
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > water. I will try to post the pdf file again.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://old.nabble.com/file/p27823731/r22WSM.pdf r22WSM.pdf
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cowie
> > > >> > R22 2009 Opus
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > stanleyl wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks all for the feedback but I am still flying blind here
> > because
> > > I
> > > >> am
> > > >> >> still missing the answer as to whether any of the 6 boats were
> > > >> completely
> > > >> >> submerged so that the deck top was under water. I had asked
> that
> > > >> >> question
> > > >> >> to get an idea of water depth. From what I am hearing, the
> Rhodes
> > > was
> > > >> >> never
> > > >> >> completely submerged. Were any others?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If so, that would indicate deep water and that since the
> Rhodes
> > deck
> > > >> >> was
> > > >> >> still above water, the floatation had done its job. If all
> boats
> > had
> > > >> >> their
> > > >> >> decks above water that would indicate shallow depth and
> therefore
> > no
> > > >> >> positive indication of successful floatation since the boats
> were
> > > >> sitting
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> the bottom, not able to go down far enough to get to the
> flotation
> > > >> level.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I am interested in getting the hard facts because it is very
> > > expensive
> > > >> >> for
> > > >> >> us to conduct such tests and so we only did it once and those
> > photos
> > > >> >> showed
> > > >> >> that the floatation took over when the water lever went just
> above
> > > the
> > > >> >> cockpit seat level. We would be satisfied if the water level
> > > reaches
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> cabin roof before floatation is effective. In the only report
> I
> > > >> >> recall
> > > >> >> hearing from an owner, attorney Paul Clevenger said that a
> rouge
> > wave
> > > >> >> lifted
> > > >> >> his boat and put it back in the water upside down and it
> floated
> > and
> > > >> they
> > > >> >> disconnected the mast and were able to right it.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> stan/gbi
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> From: <mputnam1 at aol.com>
> > > >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:30 AM
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> My boat is at the Washington Sailing Marina and it did not go
> > down.
> > > >> >>> I
> > > >> >>> asked the guys there about the storm-pushing-the-water-out
> theory,
> > > >> >>> and
> > > >> >>> they assured me that did not happen. They report that all of
> the
> > > >> >>> boats
> > > >> >>> that sank were overloaded with wet snow, began listing to one
> > side,
> > > >> took
> > > >> >>> on water and went down.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Mark P.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 am
> > > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washington Sailing Marina
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Stan,
> > > >> >>> 've been wondering about this ever since it was posted that
> the
> > > boats
> > > >> >>> went
> > > >> >>> down. The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is a
> > > shallow
> > > >> >>> arina and the storm pushed the water out, allowing the boats
> to
> > > >> >>> reach
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> ottom. Boats without positive flotation didn't have a chance
> and
> > > >> >>> probably
> > > >> >>> illed with water as the water came back in. The Rhodes had
> the
> > best
> > > >> >>> chance of
> > > >> >>> urvivability because of the flotation. It was probably
> filled
> > with
> > > >> >>> water
> > > >> >>> nd mud, but still floating as the water returned.
> > > >> >>> everal sailboats were laid over on Lake Hartwell when the
> water
> > went
> > > >> >>> down
> > > >> >>> aster than the owners could move them. When the water level
> came
> > > back
> > > >> >>> up,
> > > >> >>> any of these boats simply filled with water and laid on the
> > bottom
> > > >> >>> waiting
> > > >> >>> or someone to raise them. Attached is a photo of a San Juan
> 25
> > that
> > > >> was
> > > >> >>> aised recently. It sat on the bottom for about nine months
> before
> > > >> >>> the
> > > >> >>> owner
> > > >> >>> ad her raised.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> ummy
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> n a message dated 3/7/2010 1:16:51 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
> > > >> >>> tan at rhodes22.com writes:
> > > >> >>> Dave,
> > > >> >>> I have not had a clear picture of what happened. Were all
> boats
> > > >> >>> ompletely
> > > >> >>> nder water or were parts of the decks (other than the masts)
> > still
> > > >> >>> above
> > > >> >>> ater level?
> > > >> >>> stan/gbi
> > > >> >>>
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> > > >> >>> esc: not available
> > > >> >>> rl :
> > > >> >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 19
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:44:40 -0500
> > From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamond Board Depth
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <52e9a141003090844s5c846525ifc9a49f859699880 at mail.gmail.com>
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> > Mary Lou,
> >
> > On mine, a shackel connects the block to the board.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What turning block? Is it on the board itself? I know there are a
> lot
> > > variations. Ours is a direct lift. No blocks.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > >
> > > At 07:45 PM 3/8/2010, you wrote:
> > > >Chris,
> > > >
> > > >I don't see your turning block. Mine is always exposed when my
> boat is
> > on
> > > >the lift
> > > >--handy for inspecting. So unless the picture just doesn't show
> the
> > > block,
> > > >I would say you need to move your stop knot a bit down the hauling
> line.
> > > >
> > > >Rick
> > > >
> > > >On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:30 AM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I took advantage of the warm weather this weekend and got my
> boat
> > ready
> > > for
> > > > > the spring launch. With my boat up on jacks I was able to lower
> the
> > > > > diamond
> > > > > board all the way and took some measurements. I measure 24"
> from the
> > > keel
> > > > > to the bottom of diamond board and also measure 4-3" to 4'-6"
> from
> > the
> > > > > water
> > > > > line to the bottom of the diamond board. My question is this:
> is my
> > > > > diamond board all the way down at 24"? I think it is as this
> seems
> > to
> > > > > match photos on the GB web site but just want to make sure. The
> > older
> > > > > style
> > > > > center board seems to be deeper? Also if the water line to
> bottom of
> > > > > diamond board is 4'-3" less 24" when the board is up then the
> draft
> > is
> > > > > about
> > > > > 2'-3" not 20" noted on the GB site? Does the advertised 20"
> asume a
> > > slight
> > > > > heel? Enclosed are some images for reference.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
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