[Rhodes22-list] Cotter pins vs. rings

[Mike Cheung]

Rick,

If they don't need to be adjusted more than once or twice a season, a short
run of safety wire should do it.  Of course, then you'd need a pair of
safety wire pliers and you'd have to cut it to do any adjusting.  That's the
way things that aren't supposed to turn are secured on an aircraft.

Mike


Blue Heron wrote:
> 
> I think a dab of Gorilla glue on double sided velcro would do the trick. 
> It
> takes about 10 minutes for the glue to swell up so it can support a cotter
> pin pushed into it.  Problem is, where can you get double sided velcro?
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:23 PM, R Orkin <roryorkin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Here is a site but at 7.95 for 2 I think I will pass
>> http://www.pyacht.com/johnson-wrap-pins.htm
>>
>> That is why I was contemplating making them
>>
>>
>>
>> Blue Heron wrote:
>> >
>> > I got those velcro thingys and love 'em.  Need a couple more.  Forgot
>> > where
>> > I got them.  Do you know?
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM, R Orkin <roryorkin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I use the same set up.. With rigging tape cotter pins dont snag.. I
>> have
>> >> tried both pins and rings and find that both are a PITA.. Rings are
>> more
>> >> expensive.. THere is a system I would like to try that is a pin
>> attached
>> >> to
>> >> velcro that you push through then wrap the velcro.. Perhaps someone on
>> >> this
>> >> list has tried them.. Seems like they could be home made as well
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Matthew,
>> >> > We use rings and tape them where they might be snagged by a sheet. I
>> >> > hate cotter pins. No matter how smooth you make the ends, it seems
>> >> > that there is always something waiting to snag you or the sheet.
>> With
>> >> > a Leatherman or pliers, they aren't too difficult to remove but I
>> >> > just don't like them. Actually, I fint the rings just as hard to
>> >> > remove under ordinary circumstances. We do try to keep an eye on
>> them
>> >> > and replace them if they start to get bent out of shape or have
>> >> > protruding ends. I don't think we've ever had one release itself
>> >> > except when snagged by a sheet. That was the main sheet and the
>> >> > offending ring was one holding the mainsheet tackle to the boom
>> >> > (oops, bring her into the wind). Spares are always good.
>> >> >
>> >> > We also use a bit of monel wire on the screw end of the stays
>> (inside
>> >> > the turnbuckle) to make sure they don't unscrew themselves. We used
>> >> > to use small zip-ties for that but when we replaced the rigging a
>> few
>> >> > years ago the replacement parts had much smaller holes in the
>> >> > threaded pieces. We did have a shroud unscrew itself once. It wasn't
>> >> > a major problem with the other stays holding the mast in place but I
>> >> > did crossthread the turnbuckle reattaching it so that we had to
>> >> > replace the barrel.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mary Lou
>> >> > 1991 R22  Fretless
>> >> > Rock Hall, MD
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 01:27 PM 5/7/2010, you wrote:
>> >> >>Hi all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This may be a question more appropriate for those of you who leave
>> the
>> >> >>standing rigging, well, standing, but I'd like to know what you use
>> to
>> >> >>secure the clevis pins on your boats.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>As a bit of backstory, you should know that I've recently inherited
>> >> >>(pre-death) the Rhodes from my uncle, a lifelong sailor.  My sailing
>> >> >>experience is limited to a handful of daysails, but the Admiral in
>> my
>> >> life
>> >> >>has considerably more time on the water (she never lets me forget
>> that
>> >> she
>> >> >>attended St. Mary's College of Maryland, where, to hear her tell it,
>> >> they
>> >> >>hand out ASA certifications with every diploma).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>My uncle, who is incredibly accident prone, is of the opinion that
>> the
>> >> >>"cotter rings" (what I call "expensive stainless key chains") tend
>> to
>> >> come
>> >> >>loose, and basic cotter pins are more secure.  My (limited)
>> impression
>> >> is
>> >> >>that while the cotter pins may be more secure, they make it more
>> >> difficult
>> >> >>to take out a pin if the need should arise.  It would seem that the
>> >> rings
>> >> >>would make sense if you are trailering your boat quite a bit, but
>> we'll
>> >> be
>> >> >>in a slip for the season.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'd love to hear your opinions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thanks,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Porter
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