[Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and more!

Mon May 17 18:11:45 EDT 2010

John,

So what?  No wind, no coming about.  Time for the iron genny.

Rick

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:25 PM, John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:

> Assumes you have wind!  Or at least enough to drag the 175 through the
> shrouds and across the deck, which is not insignificant.
>
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 16:58, Rick wrote:
>
> > Lee,
> >
> > The easiest way to tack a genny of any size in any wind is to let it
> > backwind as the boat comes about.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:57 PM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> I won't give up my 175 but I'm thinking you could hit near hull speed
> >> with your 135 on a beam or broad reach with a 12-knot wind.  Sailing
> >> single-handed with the 175 in that kind of wind would be easier than
> >> furling the dang thing back in.
> >>
> >> Reference your comment about tacking the 175 in light air, I usually
> >> furl it to jib size just before I tack.  I find that furling the
> >> 175 in
> >> light wind is easier than standing in the cabin and dragging the
> >> sail to
> >> the other side of the boat.
> >>
> >> Lee
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:02 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for
> >> and
> >> more!
> >>
> >> David,
> >>
> >> You should be able to sail at hull speed with the 175 genny and IMF
> >> on a
> >> broad reach single handed in 12 knots of wind.  Closer hauled, it
> >> takes
> >> more
> >> weight.
> >>
> >> For the standard main, the PHRF for JAM comes out to a little over
> >> 200
> >> seconds.  For the IMF, it is about 275, but only a measurement will
> >> give
> >> you
> >> a real number.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:35 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think there is a misunderstanding here.  I have seen hull speed
> >>> one
> >>> time in my Rhodes.  That was with a Flying Scot jib tied on the my
> >>> forestay in 20+ winds with one other person on board and we were
> >>> both
> >>> out on the rail.  It was an experiment we were doing that showed me
> >>> that size doesn't matter when you have the wind.  Hold a hanky up
> >>> in a
> >>> hurricane for instance.
> >>>
> >>> I was referring to how the Portsmouth handicapping tables are
> >>> calculated for the Rhodes 22 since it doesn't specify a sail plan
> >>> for
> >>> our boat.  I was just musing that I should be able to use any
> >>> sails in
> >>> a race and still be legal unless I can get the boat to plane and
> >>> exceed hull speed.
> >>>
> >>> The UPS sail is good for two situations.  Very light winds when the
> >>> 175% won't fly correctly.  The other is downwind as Lee says.
> >>>
> >>> I don't utilize the 175% enough, so I'm dropping it back to a 135
> >>> for
> >>> working upwind and supplementing it with the UPS for lighter wind
> >>> days
> >>> when I would wish for something bigger.
> >>>
> >>> I think cruiser sailors are usually looking for the best compromise.
> >>> If you are out in bays with room to maneuver, I still think the
> >>> 175 is
> >>> the way to go.  If you get to sail on beam and broad reaches a fair
> >>> amount, I still think the 175 is the way to go.  If you want to run
> >>> the jib inside the shrouds on windy days without have a big fat roll
> >>> on the forestay, you may have to rethink it.  The money is the
> >>> issue.
> >>> I have 1100.00 more dollars invested then you do in your sails,
> >>> but I
> >>> have to do the later quite often.
> >>>
> >>> If you are looking to supplement the 175 or a smaller jib, the UPS
> >>> works well.  The UPS sail requires a little more work to set up, but
> >>> it is much easier to tack underway then the 175.  The 175 can be a
> >>> big
> >>> tent when the wind is light.  Also, the UPS will keep you from
> >>> having
> >>> to start the motor so often and you can make the most of the wind
> >>> you
> >>> have.  I can sail now when I couldn't before.  I haven't found it to
> >>> be that much extra work.  You rig it on the days you need it and if
> >>> the wind picks up, you drop it and use the genny.  It's just another
> >>> tool in the bag to make our boat even more versatile.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:02:33 -0400
> >>> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for
> >>>      and more!
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Message-ID:
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> >>>
> >>> Lee,
> >>>
> >>> Well, you're hearing from me.  Mainly because I'm cheap and lazy.
> >>>
> >>> The UPS is probably the easiest asymmetrical to deploy, but it is
> >> still
> >>> something extra to do.  I haven't found it any easier or faster than
> >> my 175
> >>> genny.
> >>>
> >>> Except sailing on a full downwind run with the UPS paired wing-on-
> >>> wing
> >> with
> >>> the genny (forget the main).  Then you can go at wind speed until it
> >>> exceeds
> >>> hull speed.
> >>>
> >>> Given the infrequency of down wind runs during my usual day sails, I
> >> wish I
> >>> spent my $1000 on something more useful.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:45 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> dc,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm jealous!  I haven't heard from anyone who's regretted getting a
> >> UPS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck with the race.  My boat doesn't go hull speed most of the
> >> time
> >>>> and when it does I think it's more luck than skill.  Wind was
> >> perfect
> >>> today
> >>>> and I couldn't get out.  I can go sailing tomorrow afternoon with a
> >> wind
> >>>> prediction of 1 mph.  Guess I could hit hull speed with the old
> >>>> iron
> >>> genny.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lee
> >>>> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> >>>> Kent Island, MD
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org on behalf of David Culp
> >>>> Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:21 AM
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS Sail... Everything I had hoped for and
> >> more!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am updating our group about my new UPS sail that I have installed
> >>>> this season as I said I would.  Today was one of those days where
> >> the
> >>>> wind is 10 knots and then it's 5.... Up and down, up and down.
> >>>> Nary
> >> a
> >>>> problem-I was leaving a wake going down the lake most of the way.
> >> And
> >>>> it is fun too, because you can play it like a spinnaker if you want
> >>>> to.  Sailing is always fun, but it was extra fun today!  Racing
> >>>> tomorrow in light winds, should I tell them that it's an illegal
> >> sail?
> >>>> Which reminds me... They are going to use Portsmouth handicapping
> >> and
> >>>> it doesn't specify the sail plan for our boat, so what is
> >>>> "illegal"?
> >>>> Our boat will go hull speed and that's it most of the time.  The
> >> skill
> >>>> is in getting it there.... Right?
> >>>>
> >>>> dc
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