[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 18 11:29:13 EST 2010 

I gotta agree with Mike on this one.  Just because Rummy has never had an
incident, doesn't mean that is the right way to do it.  Gas vapors are
certainly nothing to fool around with.

Hank

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:

> Rummy,
>
> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
> condition.  Please review the USCG site
> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspxwith particular attention to the following portion:
>  Portable Fuel Tanks
>  Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are
> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>
>  Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank
> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank vents
> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is required.
>
>  Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline
> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a compartment
> that will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment.
> Any openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit explosive
> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source might
> ignite the vapors.
>
> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>
>  (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>          ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>           to the atmosphere;
>  and
>
>  (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
>           duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>
>  Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat:
> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 square
> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic foot
> of net compartment volume.  The underseat space meets this requirement while
> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the cabin
> interior and bilge through wiring channels.  These ventilation requirements
> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar or
> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the
> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>
> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat Builders"
> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>
>
> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatbuilders.pdf
>
> Please err on the side of safety.  Don't play around with lives.  Many of
> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>  > Charles,
> > Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. I
> > moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places an
> > electric  motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is not
> air
> > tight and if  you look under both seats you will see large openings which
> > provide adequate  ventilation. People on the list were worried that I was
> going to
> > blow myself up,  but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink
> like
> > crazy and smoked  cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and
> > never had a problem with  gas fumes.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > I  sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only
> Rhodie
> > in  these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I do't
> > have  propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I
> don't
> > have one  of those either.
> >
> > Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to  moving the tank.
> >
> > Charles
> > s/v Blue Feather
> > 84 R 22 ... recycled  96
> >
> >> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59  -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in  laz
> >>
> >> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes  ...
> >>
> >> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly  explosive. Since
> > the
> >> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place  to store gasoline. I
> have
> >> always stored a 6 gal tank under the  cockpit seat without a problem
> > where at
> >> least the fumes (lighter than  air) would not be trapped.
> >>
> >> BTW, where do you store your  propane (heavier than air)? Please do not
> >> store it in the  cabin.
> >>
> >> Where do you sail,again?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>  s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Charles Nieman"  <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "Rhodes List"  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010  8:42 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I don't know about all that political stuff .....  but what's this
> > about
> >> > keeping your gas tank in tha  lazerette????? That is where I have
> > always
> >> > kept mine .... is  this a problem????
> >> >
> >> > Charles
> >> >
> >>  >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> >> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39  -0600
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>  >>
> >> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least  passionate rants.
> > Thoughts
> >> >> on
> >> >> midterm  elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
> > exist?
> >>  >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least keeping
> > their
> >> >> gas
> >> >> tank in the lazerette?
> >>  >>
> >> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
> >>  >>
> >> >> Ben
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>  >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
> Farrell
> >>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
> >> >> To: The  Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank God... on both  counts.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >  Mike.
> >> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to  have a separation
> > of
> >> >> > sailing from politics. The  political people left the list and
> > started
> >> >> their
> >>  >> > own
> >> >> > social network list. The sailors and  most of the drunks are still
> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  Rummy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In a  message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> >>  > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >>  > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes owner
> > since
> >> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in  several years. It is
> >> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than  it used to be. Sort of miss the
> >> >> barroom
> >> >> >  mentality of the old list.
> >> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the  first was a new 96 model I bought
> from
> >> >> > Stan and then  after returning from Europe Stan made me a great
> deal
> > and
> >> >>  > I
> >> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99  Rhodes in 2000,
> but
> >> >> > that
> >> >> >  is
> >> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the  boat so much
> I
> >> >> > bought
> >> >> > it twice. I  still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it
> > needs
> >> >>  > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> business
> > I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > ever dealt with and they  still do good work!
> >> >> > I just recently retired from the  Army after 30 years of service. I
> >> >> > retired from Fort  Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at the
> >> >> >  intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the
> > Old
> >>  >> > Point
> >> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in  Hampton, Va which is about 22 miles
> > from
> >> >> > Smithfield. My  children are grown now so I primarily singlehand
> > which
> >> >> >  is
> >> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the  Southern
> > Chesapeake
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > the last  four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of
> > Middle
> >> >>  > River
> >> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse  river, and Washington DC
> > on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> >  Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
> > costal
> >>  >> and
> >> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
> >> >>  >
> >> >> > Mike Corley
> >> >> > S/V  Ranger
> >> >> > 99 Rhodes
> >> >> > Hampton Roads,  Va
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