[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Thu Nov 18 11:46:37 EST 2010


Hey Rummy,

Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas.  Charles took the 
bait.  Da list responds.  You ... nevermind.  Ben, be careful what you wish 
for.

I prefer to live to sail another day.  I have even donned a life vest in 
rough seas, lately.  I must be growing up or something.  It is truly a 
terrible thing, this getting older business.

Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.  Their 
lives are in your hands.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
> Mike,
> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect me to
> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the rest 
> of
> the  planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice  constitutes an unsafe
> condition.  Please review the USCG site
> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspx 
> with particular attention to the
> following portion:
> Portable Fuel  Tanks
> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or  containers are
> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>
> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank
> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank 
> vents
> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is  required.
>
> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any  compartment, gasoline
> vapors should be considered when designing and  constructing a compartment 
> that
> will contain a fuel tank or container that  vents into a compartment. Any
> openings in or near the bottom of the  compartment could permit explosive
> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat  where an ignition source might 
> ignite
> the vapors.
>
> The "natural  ventilation" must consist of:
>
> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s)  from the atmosphere or from a
> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> to the atmosphere;
> and
>
> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment  or exhaust
> duct(s) to the  atmosphere.
>
> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior  surface of the boat:
> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has  at least 15 square
> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for  each cubic 
> foot
> of net compartment volume.  The underseat space meets  this requirement 
> while
> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects  with the cabin
> interior and bilge through wiring channels.  These  ventilation 
> requirements
> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during  charging (solar or
> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> For those who are  interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the
> Boatbuilder's Handbook  for download.
>
> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for  Backyard Boat Builders"
> which I have found very useful over the years is  available  at:
>
> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatb
> uilders.pdf
>
> Please  err on the side of safety.  Don't play around with lives.  Many of
> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>
> Mike
> s/v  Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> From:  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>>  Charles,
>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost  twenty years. I
>> moved it only after I installed the electric  motor lift which places an
>> electric  motor (sparks) in the lazz.  The hatch cover for the lazz is
> not air
>> tight and if  you look  under both seats you will see large openings
> which
>> provide  adequate  ventilation. People on the list were worried that I
> was going  to
>> blow myself up,  but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used  to drink
> like
>> crazy and smoked  cigars and cigarettes.......all  at the same time and
>> never had a problem with  gas  fumes.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated  11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> I  sail in  teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only
> Rhodie
>>  in  these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I
> do't
>> have  propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a  stove? I
> don't
>> have one  of those either.
>>
>>  Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to  moving the 
>> tank.
>>
>> Charles
>> s/v Blue Feather
>> 84 R 22 ...  recycled  96
>>
>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>>  To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010  08:53:59  -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction -  Now gas tank in  laz
>>>
>>> It depends on how far away  from here you sail your Rhodes  ...
>>>
>>> Basically,  fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly  explosive. Since
>> the
>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place  to store  gasoline. I
> have
>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the   cockpit seat without a problem
>> where at
>>> least the fumes  (lighter than  air) would not be trapped.
>>>
>>> BTW,  where do you store your  propane (heavier than air)? Please do not
>
>>> store it in the  cabin.
>>>
>>> Where do  you sail,again?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>  s/v Shanghai'd  Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Charles Nieman"   <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Rhodes List"   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18,  2010  8:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>>  > I don't know about all that political stuff .....  but what's this
>> about
>>> > keeping your gas tank in tha   lazerette????? That is where I have
>> always
>>> > kept  mine .... is  this a problem????
>>> >
>>> >  Charles
>>> >
>>>  >> From:  benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>> >> To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010  06:40:39  -0600
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>>>  >>
>>> >> We are overdue  for some angry -- or at least  passionate rants.
>> Thoughts
>>> >> on
>>> >> midterm  elections? Sarah  Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
>> exist?
>>>   >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least  keeping
>> their
>>> >> gas
>>> >>  tank in the lazerette?
>>>  >>
>>> >>  Watching and waiting from BR,
>>>  >>
>>> >>  Ben
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >>   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
> Farrell
>>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010  12:39
>>> >> To: The  Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>  >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>>>  >>
>>> >> Thank God... on both  counts.
>>>  >>
>>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM,   <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>  >  Mike.
>>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while  back we had to  have a
> separation
>> of
>>> >> >  sailing from politics. The  political people left the list and
>>  started
>>> >> their
>>>  >> >  own
>>> >> > social network list. The sailors and  most  of the drunks are still
>> here.
>>> >> >
>>>  >> >  Rummy
>>> >> >
>>> >>  >
>>> >> > In a  message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58  P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> >>  >  michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>> >> >
>>>  >>  > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal  Rhodes
> owner
>> since
>>> >> > 1996. I have not  been active on the list in  several years. It is
>>> >>  > definitely a lot quieter now than  it used to be. Sort of miss 
>>> >> the
>>> >> barroom
>>> >> >  mentality of  the old list.
>>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the   first was a new 96 model I bought
> from
>>> >> > Stan and  then  after returning from Europe Stan made me a great
> deal
>> and
>>> >>  > I
>>> >> > traded it in on a  slightly used and upgraded 99  Rhodes in 2000,
> but
>>> >>  > that
>>> >> >  is
>>> >> > another  story. I like to tell people that I liked the  boat so
> much I
>>>  >> > bought
>>> >> > it twice. I  still take  the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it
>> needs
>>>  >>  > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> business
>> I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> >  ever dealt with and they  still do good work!
>>> >> > I  just recently retired from the  Army after 30 years of service.
> I
>>> >> > retired from Fort  Monroe, Va and now live in  Smithfield, Va at 
>>> >> > the
>>> >> >  intersection of the  Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the
>> Old
>>>   >> > Point
>>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe  in  Hampton, Va which is about 22
> miles
>> from
>>>  >> > Smithfield. My  children are grown now so I primarily  singlehand
>> which
>>> >> >  is
>>>  >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the   Southern
>> Chesapeake
>>> >> > for
>>>  >> > the last  four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes  out of
>> Middle
>>> >>  > River
>>>  >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse  river, and  Washington
> DC
>> on
>>> >> > the
>>> >>  >  Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
>> costal
>>>  >> and
>>> >> >  inland pocket cruiser!
>>> >>  >
>>> >>  > Mike Corley
>>> >> > S/V  Ranger
>>>  >> > 99 Rhodes
>>> >> > Hampton Roads,   Va
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