[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz

Bob Keller r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 18 13:06:33 EST 2010 

Maybe I've been through too many security lines at the airport.
BK
 
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:35:44 -0500
> From: hnw555 at gmail.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> 
> Bit of a conspiracy theorist, Bob?
> 
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Bob Keller
> <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > These are government sponsored standards so are highly suspect just for
> > that reason alone....
> > BK
> >
> > > From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:26:11 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> > >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
> > condition. Please review the USCG site
> > http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspxwith particular attention to the following portion:
> > > Portable Fuel Tanks
> > > Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are
> > required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
> > >
> > > Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank
> > compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank vents
> > into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is required.
> > >
> > > Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline
> > vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a compartment
> > that will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment.
> > Any openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit explosive
> > vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source might
> > ignite the vapors.
> > >
> > > The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
> > >
> > > (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
> > > ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> > > to the atmosphere;
> > > and
> > >
> > > (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
> > > duct(s) to the atmosphere.
> > >
> > > Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat:
> > > "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 square
> > inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic foot
> > of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this requirement while
> > the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the cabin
> > interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation requirements
> > also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar or
> > otherwise) in confined spaces.
> > > For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the
> > Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
> > >
> > > A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat Builders"
> > which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
> > >
> > >
> > http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatbuilders.pdf
> > >
> > > Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives. Many of
> > these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
> > > > Charles,
> > > > Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. I
> > > > moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places an
> > > > electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is
> > not air
> > > > tight and if you look under both seats you will see large openings
> > which
> > > > provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried that I
> > was going to
> > > > blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink
> > like
> > > > crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and
> > > > never had a problem with gas fumes.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only
> > Rhodie
> > > > in these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I
> > do't
> > > > have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I
> > don't
> > > > have one of those either.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the tank.
> > > >
> > > > Charles
> > > > s/v Blue Feather
> > > > 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
> > > >
> > > >> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> > > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in laz
> > > >>
> > > >> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
> > > >>
> > > >> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive. Since
> > > > the
> > > >> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store gasoline. I
> > have
> > > >> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a problem
> > > > where at
> > > >> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
> > > >>
> > > >> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please do not
> > > >> store it in the cabin.
> > > >>
> > > >> Where do you sail,again?
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > > >> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's this
> > > > about
> > > >> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I have
> > > > always
> > > >> > kept mine .... is this a problem????
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Charles
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> > > >> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate rants.
> > > > Thoughts
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
> > > > exist?
> > > >> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least keeping
> > > > their
> > > >> >> gas
> > > >> >> tank in the lazerette?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ben
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
> > Farrell
> > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
> > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thank God... on both counts.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Mike.
> > > >> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
> > separation
> > > > of
> > > >> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list and
> > > > started
> > > >> >> their
> > > >> >> > own
> > > >> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are still
> > > > here.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Rummy
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes owner
> > > > since
> > > >> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years. It is
> > > >> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of miss the
> > > >> >> barroom
> > > >> >> > mentality of the old list.
> > > >> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I bought
> > from
> > > >> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a great
> > deal
> > > > and
> > > >> >> > I
> > > >> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in 2000,
> > but
> > > >> >> > that
> > > >> >> > is
> > > >> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat so
> > much I
> > > >> >> > bought
> > > >> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it
> > > > needs
> > > >> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> > business
> > > > I
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work!
> > > >> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of service.
> > I
> > > >> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at
> > the
> > > >> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the
> > > > Old
> > > >> >> > Point
> > > >> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about 22
> > miles
> > > > from
> > > >> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily singlehand
> > > > which
> > > >> >> > is
> > > >> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the Southern
> > > > Chesapeake
> > > >> >> > for
> > > >> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of
> > > > Middle
> > > >> >> > River
> > > >> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and Washington DC
> > > > on
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
> > > > costal
> > > >> >> and
> > > >> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Mike Corley
> > > >> >> > S/V Ranger
> > > >> >> > 99 Rhodes
> > > >> >> > Hampton Roads, Va
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