[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

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Tue Oct 26 12:12:35 EDT 2010 

Mary Lou - we sail more often in the back bay ( behind Avalon and Sea Isle City) although we sometimes go out Townsend's Inlet for an Ocean sail.   Winds are mostly southwesterly, except after a front, when we can get a day or two from the north.   Winds are a bit stronger on the average than the Chesapeake, but are still variable - we do not, for example, have a strong sea breeze the way the Barnegat Bay folks get.   In the back bay, the waves are minimal - not much fetch to build upon.  We usually time our daysails so that we are starting an hour or two before high tide ( going with the tidal current, irrespective of wind direction) and then return within an hour or two after high tide.   Frone





-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
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Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 7:19 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind


Hi Frone,
hat are the winds and waves like where you sail. You're in NJ?
Best,
ary Lou
991 R22 Fretless
ock Hall, MD

t 11:37 PM 10/25/2010, you wrote:
When Stan did a partial refit ('06) on our '94, we upgraded the 
furling main to the battened version and substituted a 140 genoa for 
the original 175 - the combination has proven to be a substantial 
improvement over the original sail plan.  I usually furl / reef the 
140 to about a 110 going upwind, except in very light air - the 
extent of the reef leaves the shape pretty well intact - at least 
far better than when we reefed the 175 down.   The other factor that 
plays a part here is the height of the head of the genoa when reefed 
to a 110- it is a much lower-aspect sail when a 175 is reefed than 
when a 140 is reefed.  Overall, I much prefer the 140 to the original 175.

Frone Crawford
s/v Sunday Morning










-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind


Rick,



A 175% Genny is quite large, upwind sailing can be very difficult to 
handle in

high winds, ergo we shorten the sail.  If that is the case, and we 
effectively

create a jib, even if it is a mite sloppy when furled, it can operate as a

self-tacking jib if we have the boat rigged.  If it is self tending it is

unnecessary to re-route the sheets, just connect the genny clew to the

'traveler'.  Does that make sense?



Art



-----Original Message-----

 >From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>

 >Sent: Oct 25, 2010 5:58 PM

 >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>

 >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

 >

 >Art,

 >

 >I don't get it.  What is" changing from a 175% config to beating upwind?"

 >

 >Rick

 >

 >On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky <

 >czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:

 >

 >> A few times, a self-tending jib rig has been brought up on the list.  It

 >> really is simple to set up, regardless of the size of the 
 genoa.  This would

 >> facilitate changing from a 175% config to beating upwind.

 >>

 >> Art

 >>

 >> -----Original Message-----

 >> >From: Rhodes22Dave <Rhodes22Dave at gmail.com>

 >> >Sent: Oct 24, 2010 11:50 PM

 >> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org

 >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

 >> >

 >> >

 >> >Interesting. I will try this.  I also thought that re-routing the genoa

 >> >sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught.  I have never

 >> >liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to the

 >> >wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can 
 do a little

 >> >better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail 
 area--but at

 >> a

 >> >cost of sail shape with all the furling.  I may get a second R22 and am

 >> >thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.  But

 >> >what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.

 >> >Dave

 >> >

 >> >Ben Cittadino wrote:

 >> >>

 >> >> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, 
 and I want

 >> >> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing the

 >> >> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for 
 better upwind

 >> >> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I was

 >> >> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let the

 >> >> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I

 >> >> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route for

 >> >> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the

 >> >> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.

 >> >>

 >> >>

 >> >>

 >> >> BenCittadino

 >> >>

 >> >> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)

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