[Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped

R22RumRunner at aol.com R22RumRunner at aol.com
Tue Sep 13 13:18:06 EDT 2011


You are correct. Epoxy can't cure rot, but it does soak into the dry fibers 
 and reinforces them sufficient enough that a tear down isn't required. 
It's been  done like this for years and I haven't seen one instance that this 
fix  failed.
Enough with this cit chat, I'm going sailing. Later.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 9/13/2011 1:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:

Rummy,

Replacing the wood under the mast doesn't require a  complete deck tear
down.  At least it didn't on my '93.  There is  a separate plank under the
mast step twice as thick as the plywood deck  core and attached to the
framing for the forward bulkhead.

The  problem is, the wood supporting the mast step plate is very vulnerable
to  water penetration due to the screws. Once wood gets wet, it rots.   
Epoxy
can't cure rot.

Rick

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> Replacing the wood is out of  the question. That would require a complete
> tear down of the deck and  I don't think any of us want to do that. 
Filling
> the  holes with  epoxy, allowing to dry and then drill new holes is the 
best
> way  to  approach this. 3m4200 is an adhesive and I don't think it will  
flow
> readily  enough to fill the gaps and voids. I've had my  Rhodes now for
> almost
> twenty  years and I have never ever  damaged the mast step. Perhaps its
> because I don't  lower the  mast to the stern. I lower it to the bow,
> eliminating
> the  possibility  of damage to the step. If you have the factory mast  
crane
> you must lower it to  the stern. Just make certain the mast  comes down on
> the
> mast crutch  or you will damage the pop  top and the step. Also, don't
> forget to disconnect the pop top slider.  :)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2011  11:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sloopblueheron at gmail.com  writes:
>
> Rob,
>
> I agree 4200 would be a good  temporary fix until  tackling replacement of
> the
>  wood.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011  at 10:28  AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Rick,
>  >  Yes, you want to use something that will shear off.  I believe  3M 
4200
> is
> > the preferred product.  You want  something that can be  disassembled
> (i.e.,
> > will  break loose) if need be.  If you think  about it, you only want  
the
> > screws and adhesive to keep the mast step  stationary  while there is 
some
> > horizontal force on it when the mast is   first raised.  - rob
> >
> >
>  >
>
>  
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=21590&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10104&subdeptNum=
>  10325&classNum=10327
> >
> >
> >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
> > From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> >  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> >  Sent:  Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:40 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email   List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
>  >
> >  Rummy,
> >
> > I did this repair  using epoxy.  The subsequent  tear-off of the plate
>  caused
> > extensive damage, including a crack that  ran all the  way to a cabin
> rail.
> >
> > Are you sure Stan  uses  epoxy?  I suspect he uses something with shear
> >  strength more  approaching wood.  Plus, the underlying wood can't  have
> rot
> > and  there can't be any voids between the  wood and gelcoat.
> >
> >  Rick
> >
>  > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com>  wrote:
> >
> > > Rick,
> > >  I'm not  sure where you are going with this. The repair that has been
>  >  >  mentio
> > > ned has been done by many  Rhodies over the  years. It is the best way
> to
> > >  repair the step. It is the repair  that Stan uses at the factory.
>  > >
> > > Rummy
> >  >
> >  >
> > > In a message dated 9/12/2011 11:08:29 P.M.   Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com  writes:
> >  >
> > > David,
> >  >
> > > Your problem won't be the  epoxy holding with  careful  raising and
> lower
> > of
> >  >  your mast.  Your problem will be the damage done  by the  epoxy when
> you
> > > have
> > > another  mishap.
> > >
> > >  Rick
> >  >
> > > On Mon, Sep  12, 2011 at 9:08 PM, David   Craft <Chsyhkr at gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> >  >
> > >  >
> > > > Rob,
> >  > >
> > > > I was raising  the mast from  the  back using the crutch that hangs
> off
> >  the
>  > > > transom.
> > > >
> > > >  As  we  started to raise the mast, we realized we need to manuever
>  the
> >  >  jib
> > > > around a  shroud.   He set the mast  down on back rail and  not  
back
> in
> > the
> > > >  crutch.  It  was enough leverage, with the pop top  acting as a
>  fulcrum
> > to
> > > > pop
> > > > the  plate  off.
> > > >
> > > > I  drilled  out the holes  today.  The wood is damp but not
> >   deteriorating.
> >  >  I
> > > > think it  treated Southern Yellow Pine.   It  will be dry for a  
week
> > here,
> > > > enough time  for it dry  well before  repairing.  The glass is 
intact,
> >   > except
> > > > for one spot around the  fore  screw.   A quarter size piece, about
> half
> > >  the
> > > >  thickness  popped out.
> > >  >
> > > > I think the  epoxy repair should last for a  good  while with 
careful
> > >  raising
> >  > > and lowering......
> > > >
> > >   > David  Craft
> > > >
> > > >
>  > >  >
> > > > Rob Lowe wrote:
> > >  > >
> > >  >  > David,
> > >  > > Was this when you were raising  or lowering the   mast?  Which
> > direction
> > >  to
>  > > > > you lower to?  - rob
> > >  >   >
> > > > > -----Original  Message-----
> > > > >  From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > >    [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David
>  >  Craft
> > > >  > Sent: Sunday, September 11,  2011 5:45  PM
> > > > > To: Rhodes  List
>  > > > >  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
>  > > >  >
> >  > > > While setting our  mast at a local lake the mast step  popped  
off
> with
>  > > the
> > > > > screws somewhat   stripped.  We reset it and  raised it carefully
> >  >  figuring
> > > > > that
> > > >  > the weight  would  help hold it.
> > > >  >
> > > > > While  taking it down, it popped  again,  necessitating the 
repair I
> > >  >  expected
> > > > > when it popped the  first   time.
> > > > >
> > > > > The boat is a  89, recycled  in  08.
> > > > >
> > >  > > The step is secured  with three 1 inch   screws.   I am thinking 
of
> > >  drilling
>  > > > > out the holes,  repairing with  epoxy,   drilling new pilot 
holes,
> and
> > > > >    resetting.   I have heard suggestions from inserting lugs   to
> >  drilling
> > > all
> > > >  > the way  through and using bolts and nuts.  The  wall for  the 
head
> is
> >  a
> > > > > support  below the step, so drilling  through is  not  advisable.
>  Can
> > > longer
> > > >  > screws  be  used?
> > > > >
> > >  > > Advice is  appreciated as I need to make this  repair in  the 
next
> two
> > >  > weeks.
> > >  > >
> > > > > --
> > >  >   > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >  David  B. Craft
> > > > >  Greensboro, NC
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